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General Discussion / Re: Any other longtime supporters feel like they were lied to?

« on: October 22, 2015, 06:26:43 pm »

There is a pisece of wisdom about software development, I've learned some time ago. I forgot where, probably from The Trenches.

"Programmers can't estimate time, it will take them to program something. Whatever they say it will take them, multiply it by at least 2." - not exact words.

I believe this holds true for most of the producers that went to KS - I have personaly resigned to wait longer time. I wish there was a way to inform everyone about that.

Even Veterans of the industry, without a publisher to either give realistic dates or hold them to dealines failed to deliver on time.

Richard "Lord Brittish" Garriot: Shroud of the Avatar (1,919,275$/1,000,000$; Estimated delivery Oct 2014 - in alfa/beta for over a year at this point) - founder of and creator of most of Origin Systems games (including Ultima series)
Tim Schaefer: Double Fine Adventure/Broken Age (3,336,371$/400,000$; Estimated delivery Oct 2012 - act 1 delivered in Jan 2014, and after going over budget) - made many of the great Lucasarts adventure games
Chris Roberts: Star Citizen (total: >93,000,000$ out of ; Estimated delivery Nov 2014  - beta for all pre-orders starting soon, current ETA 2016) - author of Wing Commander series and both Privateer games

... I could go on.

If allegations of over-micromanagement hold true, it means you either have wrong people, or you, Bubbles are (no mater how well intended) over-managing. It seems to be a bit of a common thread in some of the delayed KS campaigns.

Not saying that if they can be late that you can, but just trying to assert that software developers are terrible at estimating time needed.

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General Discussion / Re: Any other longtime supporters feel like they were lied to?

« on: October 22, 2015, 04:40:43 pm »

Slow progress on adventure mode, stamina and a pointless matchmaker that increased wait times and removed the social element are not what this game needed.

I would like to inquire, for further explanation on how is matchmaker pointless, and how did it remove social elements. The statements puzzle me.

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Community Events / Re: Sunday Community Skirmish #68 (Signups for Sunday September 13rd)

« on: September 14, 2015, 08:30:24 pm »

Was match B on European server by any chance?

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General Discussion / Re: Was GOIO A Fluke?

« on: May 06, 2015, 12:28:31 pm »

You know nothing Jon Snow

Depends on what you add to the flak on the spire, but the Flak Spire is a "legit" build.

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Feedback and Suggestions / Re: Underdog System

« on: May 06, 2015, 12:23:35 pm »

MMR is calculated as well as possible. Underdog itself is a suspect.

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Feedback and Suggestions / Re: Underdog System

« on: May 05, 2015, 08:06:25 pm »

As man weapon not, but you are taking a flaregun on one of the utility slots, because knowing where enemies are is crucial no matter what range you choose.

They haven't divulged the exact specifics (to my knowledge) what they are using in calculating team MMR (as opposed to player MMR).

As of visiblitiy of the Underdog status before the game start, I share my concern on the effect on the underdog team (especially, after hiding levels, so lover levels didn't feel intimidated).

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General Discussion / Re: Was GOIO A Fluke?

« on: May 05, 2015, 07:49:43 pm »

... Anyone who has read Gilder's posts know that in 1.1 things were more dynamic and pilots were better able to dynamically control engagements. More recent patches made the positional game vital (especially the era of the gat/mortar metamidion). Of course this means that it is impossible to satisfy everyone at once, and it is sad for me to see so many folks not having a good time in the game at the moment, even if others are thrilled with the recent changes.

I loved playing in those times, but I got to say: no things weren't more dynamic, it's just ships like Pyramidion (with 300 000 kg it was second heaviest ship, and still almost as manoeuvrable as the Goldfish) were far too manoeuvrable. In competitive you only saw 3 ships and 4 builds total (gat/flak metamidion, blenderfish, flakfish, and galleon with a double flak and merc long range side). People have had their builds nerfed or broken in 1.1.4 and 1.1.5 (witch saw explosive damage nerf, heavy flak got arming time, flamer nerf, pyra nerf, junker buff and some new clouds added on some of the most prominent sniping maps like the Fjords and Dunes), have rose tinted glasses for those times and are inflexible with their builds (admittedly I'm inflexible only when it comes to purely sniping builds). I'll freely admit I was abusing the op as fuck metamidion in those days.

I think one of the core problems of GOIO is two(and a half)-step problem:
1) One stupid player can easily ruin your experience
2) Vets can't play with vets, they have to play with medium or low skilled players*
2.5) There's no way of dealing with stupid players (once they're on your ship/team)

*inb4 "But Dis, it's due to low population!" - devs have had 2 years to solve this problem

The 2 most popular MOBAs (LoL and DOTA2) have both problems 1 and 2.5 with the addition of extremely toxic communities
* is a circular argument
There is nothing preventing Vets playing Vets (it might be slightly less likely to happen with matchmaking, but you can always join on friends you can even make custom lobbies specifiicly to play with other players you want to. Players don't HAVE to play with medium or low skilled players.

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Feedback and Suggestions / Re: Underdog System

« on: May 05, 2015, 06:29:52 pm »

MMR is NOT calculated from the player Levels
MMR is NOT calculated from the number of matchs
MMR is NOT calculated from the win ratio

MMR is calculated a modified of Glicko2 system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system
This was explained numerous times, in many threads and Dev Fire chats.
MMR is re-calculated after every match depending on the result. Changes are dependant on Ratings deviations and the ratings of both teams. Read on Wikipedia for the details.

Like The Sky wolf explained: the Underdog rewards the underdogs IF they win. Not by giving them bonuses.
However I do find the reliability of the Underdog calculation questionable from the games I've played since system went live.

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General Discussion / Re: Was GOIO A Fluke?

« on: May 05, 2015, 10:43:10 am »

Mechanics are indeed the base point, but I was confused about all the assets part. Assets generally mean, textures, models, maps, sounds, etc.
I don't hava a habbit of commenting on the parts I have nothing meaning to add to and don't disagree with.

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Community Events / Re: The Teaching Tournament!

« on: May 05, 2015, 10:14:50 am »

I'm signing up. Now I just have to get a teaching partner

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General Discussion / Re: Was GOIO A Fluke?

« on: May 05, 2015, 10:06:53 am »

Wait what?

.... With the failure of FotI the people there had to decide what to do with their lives, move on or keep shooting for the stars. All the assets were converted into a PvP that kept the boat floating this long but the adventure game ...

Original Guns of Icarus now known as Flight of Icarus looks, or plays nothing like Guns of Icarus Online.

I mean I agree about Muse wanting to make a full Adventure mode, and money from the Skirmish mode being necessary to found that dream, that will alleviate, if not completely nullify the issues with GoI, but I don't remember any asset in GoI same as FoI.

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General Discussion / Re: Was GOIO A Fluke?

« on: May 05, 2015, 09:54:50 am »

Regarding the Thread title: No this wasn't the first cult game mus has made -Flight of Icarus (formerly known as Guns of Icarus) was a cult game.

As for op's post: I see some people are still pining for the fjords. I'm not, I've been playing since 1.1.2 (witch I believe introduced Lumberjack) - I've played days on end (and that's not an exaggeration) in pre 1.1.4 days. Mostly competitive practice for Claiming of The Fjords tournament. That game is far better balanced now than it was back in those days. There is far less bugs, far better game engine optimization, far more viable ships and builds (no small part because of new weapons and a new ship), more tools. Spectator tools aren't crap any-more (just watch the recordings from Claiming of the Fjords - the videos had all the spectator ui possible, half of the matches you couldn't see ballistic projectiles like flak shots or the score). Matchmaking is great (least of the benefits, is that blame for 5-0 the other team is not your fault, if your team all queued), I think even stamina is great, because it makes gunners and pilots more encouraged than before. Considering how quickly it drains in comparison to how long it takes to refill, I think it's balanced, it does not replace teamwork or skill. But it does compliment it.

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Feedback and Suggestions / Re: Pyramidion and minotaur cannon - feedback.

« on: February 27, 2015, 08:16:34 pm »

I agree pyra nerf is to much.. They die so fast now it defeats the purpose of the ship..

The moment I saw the patch notes, I was like: "Nope not rebuilding Pyra armour anymore"

But I do agree with Muse it should help lower pyra use count (which is what they really wanted to do with the nerf - they want to mix up the meta now), so I am for the nerf for awhile.. So we can maybe see some more other ships (more squid be nice).. I say that and yet I still ended up on a pyra most of the time..

They don't seem as prevalent in competitive (If you want to ba an e sport you need to balance for competitive players like it's done in SC2). With possible excpetion of novice matches I've seen pretty good representation of all ships except squids (prior to this patch -I've been pretty sick, so I haven't played much yet)

I also agree Minotaur seems to push a bit to much when on a junker.... when there's 2 on you you literally never have an ark and just slowly die .. - not really "fun" gameplay.. (1 Doesn't feel as bad).. Issue though depends how competent the other team is at focusing you.. When they are it feels really op when not it doesn't seem as bad..

I've tried it in a 1v1 Practice match Goldfish vs Goldfish -I've had wrong tools (kero, hydro and the parachute): the the enemy goldfich could ifninitely juggle me and reverse my direction - to a point where my engines have had barely any effect.

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The Lounge / Re: Get to know people's GOI preferences (uncomfortable well)

« on: October 19, 2014, 06:00:40 am »

1. Favourite ship to fly. (Not including the build.) Goldfish
2. Favourite ship to engineer on. Ships that you can see what's happening (no Spire or Mobula)
3. Favourite light gun. Flak
4. Favourite heavy gun. Flak
5. Favourite gun overall. Flak
6. Favourite 2v2 map Paritan Rumble
7. Favourite larger than 2v2 only map.(Ones you see on 3v3 and 4v4.) Red Sepulcher
8. Favourite map overall. Paritan Rumble
9. Favourite ammo type. Greased
10. Favourite ship build Junker 1. Gatling 2.hades 3. Mortar 4. Artemis 5. Gatling
11. Favourite headwear. (Include gender) Tricorn (Female)
12. Favourite outfit. (Include gender.) Dust Rider (Male)
13. Favourite Goggles (does a that have gender??) Mustachio Monocle
14. Favourite ship theme. Traveller and Industrial are tied
15. Favourite figurehead. Whichever is closest to Nike of Samothrace
16. Would you rather, Deathmatch, King of the Hill or Crazy king. Deathmatch - In my experience other 2 game mode are too confined to playing meta
17. Rank in order of preference, Pilot, Gunner and Engineer. Engineer>Pilot>Gunner
18. Buffgi/Gunji or Main? Main
19. Lion gun OP? Only if it hits really well
20. Are there too many questions? (Tick here: no[ ] no[ ] )
21. Have you found a better community than GOIO? No

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The Lounge / Re: Haven and Hearth, Anyone?

« on: October 19, 2014, 05:28:35 am »

That's still a thing?