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The Everyone Think Really Hard And Make Rangefinder Useful Thread
Solidusbucket:
I always figured the spyglass was a way to keep a ship spotted which, presumbly, a crewmate could see. I figured it acted as a way to keep communication clutter free. Now the crewmate does not have to constantly relay information to the captain.
Unlike your suggestion that it is some master tactician thing. It is simply a replacement for communication.
OverlordEgg:
Let's try something new. Without giving away the function of the rangefinder itself, what do you want it to actually do? To give you an example, I'll start.
I, and it looks like Crafeksterty too want to make a tool that helps improve gunner accuracy and give pilots and gunners the courage to pull themselves away from their hwacha comfort zones.
If we can come to an understanding of how exactly we want the rangefinder to affect gameplay, perhaps we can get around some of our arguing and come to a function we can all agree on.
Letus:
Telling range is one thing I find useful, the problem is the lack of spot...and as a gunner...I'm not looking through it because I'm using my visual cues of say the drop sight on a lumberjack, of course the problem with some guns and really long distances is you can't see if your shot is over or under very well.
So, personally, I think a range finder would be more usable if you could use it while mounted, but you then lose your gun sights (but your gun's arc doesn't move while you're looking through it.)
That might make it too strong though....
Otherwise, to keep the communication deal
Range and speed of ship. That way the person range spotting can relay to the gunner, if they are skilled.
The huge downside is each square is 1km, so right now, spotting a ship and finding its range is a matter of pressing "m"
OverlordEgg:
--- Quote from: Letus on March 07, 2016, 05:39:22 pm ---Telling range is one thing I find useful, the problem is the lack of spot...and as a gunner...I'm not looking through it because I'm using my visual cues of say the drop sight on a lumberjack, of course the problem with some guns and really long distances is you can't see if your shot is over or under very well.
So, personally, I think a range finder would be more usable if you could use it while mounted, but you then lose your gun sights (but your gun's arc doesn't move while you're looking through it.)
That might make it too strong though....
Otherwise, to keep the communication deal
Range and speed of ship. That way the person range spotting can relay to the gunner, if they are skilled.
The huge downside is each square is 1km, so right now, spotting a ship and finding its range is a matter of pressing "m"
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How is that going to work in practice? I find the idea of using rangefinder while mounted intriguing, but as for the rest, you think someone's going to go "oh they're at 768 meters and moving at 22 meters per second so I should move the gun half a centimeter to the left and one centimeter up?"
Telling players the range, maybe even a ship's speed too, is an interesting idea in theory, especially given the name "Rangefinder," but I think people are getting too hung up on that name. Unless a player is either a mathematical genius savant or already so experienced with the guns they wouldn't need to know more than they can learn from looking at the map anyway, if that's all it does it's hardly helping anyone, and in fact, has technically made the rangefinder less useful than it is now, because you've removed one of its current functions.
I should add again, though, that making the range-finder usable while on the gun itself is an interesting thought, that maybe we should apply to some of the other theories here to see how that changes things. Maybe even make it a gunner tool instead of a pilot one?
I still challenge people to try out the question I posed just above and see where that takes us.
Daft Loon:
--- Quote from: OverlordEgg on March 07, 2016, 05:30:38 pm ---Without giving away the function of the rangefinder itself, what do you want it to actually do?
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Provide information about the position and/or movement of the target that might help with positioning and/or aiming.
I took it into practice a while ago with a mind to using it for precise positioning of a mine squid, i think that could be a worthwhile niche use of a rangefinder that exclusively finds range but it was far too difficult to keep it on target & reading the range.
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