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Fellow Ex-Gunners Of Icarus Lend Me Your Ears!
Moriarty:
--- Quote from: Pickle on August 11, 2013, 10:04:58 am ---I'm certainly opposed to any suggestion that heatsink is useless and should be disposed of for something with more universal cookie-cutter appeal - which appears to be Moriarty's shout (and yours Sunderland?). There should be weaker and stronger tools, some that only work with one or two weapons and some that work with all. Perhaps even some that until you really think about it don't appear to work at all, or only work synergistically with other crew members tool choices. More tools and greater diversity of tools encourages experimentation.
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Universal cookie-cutter appeal : Is it fashionable to have obviously broken things taking up space or something? Tools need to be functional, and competitive with the other tools otherwise they never get chosen for the job.
Lets run through some of the ammunition in question:
Heatsink
Flare Gun use excluded, Heatsink is uselessas things stand - Though i remember the days when it was quite useful - all I'm saying is atm it sucks, and taking it is a mistake...and you should feel bad.
Incendiary
Same story - though you shouldn't feel bad for taking it, after all you've already decided your not playing to win - and all the power to you!
Greased
You me and everyone else wants it to work, especially for the light mortar...only you never really need it and it comes off kinda gimmicky - but man it's fun to fire.
Now I believe eventually Muse (awkm) will get around to giving each ammo a useful roll - its just that atm there is no reason to take any of the abovementioned ammo.
Pickle:
What I'd like to see are a dozen or more tools of varying utility for every profession. Because every so often a seemingly minor change in an update has the entire tool dynamic on it's head because someone realises that a little regarded too that's been ignored for months suddenly gives a huge advantage. Back when the Lumberjack first had it's arming time added there was a sudden scramble to find ammunitions that slowed the projectile. Heatsink was suddenly FOTM with lumberjack gunners. Who knows what the next patch will bring. There needs to be the diversity of tools beyond the cookie cutter appeal, and beyond the absolute number-crunching of the <1% of players who play competitively.
Moriarty, some of the ammunition types you've listed have usefulness beyond the numbers. The psychological effects of even small fire stacks are significant when you're playing in the PUGs and that can make incendiary a viable choice for a gatling. The advantages of greased rounds on the mortar at close range aren't just down to the absolute damage numbers - because it's not how much damage you can do in a second that counts.
And amongst the PUGs, a Captain is not always wanting to choose the absolute optimum loadout. Sometimes you're spending twenty-plus matches just working with the optimum loadout dictated by your current active achievements. Because you've had the same achievements running for too long and you'd like to get onto the next one. Flying a suboptimal weapon choice then has you looking for optimal ammunition that might not be used that often in high-level play.
If you only play high level matches and never chase down an achievement, ignore all of the above.
RearAdmiralZill:
All of this is assuming you are using a gunner, not 3 engineers.
--- Quote ---Heatsink
Flare Gun use excluded, Heatsink is uselessas things stand - Though i remember the days when it was quite useful - all I'm saying is atm it sucks, and taking it is a mistake...and you should feel bad.
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Any gun with an arming time will appreciate the benefits it provides at shorter ranges.
--- Quote ---Incendiary
Same story - though you shouldn't feel bad for taking it, after all you've already decided your not playing to win - and all the power to you!
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Flamethrowers, carronades, and gatling to a lesser degree, since the gunner typically isn't on gat. Oh, Mines like it too.
--- Quote ---Greased
You me and everyone else wants it to work, especially for the light mortar...only you never really need it and it comes off kinda gimmicky - but man it's fun to fire.
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Depending on the range you plan to engage at, gatling and mortar love greased. Also fun on a LJ.
I don't particularly care what the "new meta" is. If you have 3 engies, sure I can see potential merit in your argument. With a gunner, no.
Moriarty:
I would like to point out just in-case it was any doubt, when I used the word "you" I meant it as 'you the reader', inclusive language and all that, and was not intending to single out Mr Pickle.
Moriarty:
Normally you put forth a good argument Zill but i think you struck out here.
Heatsink for arming time you have to know that's not the best solution
Incendiary for carronades and mines - Sure if your playing PUBs and want to have some fun - otherwise this is madness
Greased for LJ is just weird, I can see the light mortar argument but I think we'll see a shift away from the light mortar gunner thus proving me right.
Now you might have noticed I've given you no solid arguments just basically 'your wrong' - Unfortunately I'm conflicted as you play the Raft this Saturday so I wouldn't want to help correct any defective opinions you may or may not hold :P
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