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Fellow Ex-Gunners Of Icarus Lend Me Your Ears!
N-Sunderland:
Why would you want your gunner loading heatsink when they can load an ammo type that boosts damage output while they repair their gun? Fire isn't enough of a threat to guns anymore for heatsink to be worth it at all.
Pickle:
--- Quote from: N-Sunderland on August 11, 2013, 09:29:56 am ---Why would you want your gunner loading heatsink when they can load an ammo type that boosts damage output while they repair their gun? Fire isn't enough of a threat to guns anymore for heatsink to be worth it at all.
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I'll often put the noob on guns in a PUG. If they're struggling to balance repairs with damage output I want an easy option to suggest to them when up against a flamer-heavy opponent. It's probably a holdover and I haven't adjusted to the many changes Eric has made to fire damage. But it is the easy option when you've an inexperienced crew. And I'm sure fire damage will be adjusted at least once more before the end of the year. It doesn't seem to go five minutes without tinkering to the mechanics of it.
I'm certainly opposed to any suggestion that heatsink is useless and should be disposed of for something with more universal cookie-cutter appeal - which appears to be Moriarty's shout (and yours Sunderland?). There should be weaker and stronger tools, some that only work with one or two weapons and some that work with all. Perhaps even some that until you really think about it don't appear to work at all, or only work synergistically with other crew members tool choices. More tools and greater diversity of tools encourages experimentation.
Calico Jack:
--- Quote from: N-Sunderland on August 11, 2013, 09:29:56 am ---Why would you want your gunner loading heatsink when they can load an ammo type that boosts damage output while they repair their gun? Fire isn't enough of a threat to guns anymore for heatsink to be worth it at all.
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the 3 engie concept - but I have a feeling that the recent changes to chemspray and fire ext have something to do with its popularity. And with an engie even if you buff the guns you still only have 1 ammo type.
N-Sunderland:
--- Quote from: Pickle on August 11, 2013, 10:04:58 am ---I'm certainly opposed to any suggestion that heatsink is useless and should be disposed of for something with more universal cookie-cutter appeal - which appears to be Moriarty's shout (and yours Sunderland?).
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I think it should be made more viable in some way, but not by making any changes to ammo itself. Fire just needs to be made better for disabling guns, since as it stands it's very rare to see 8-stack fires on them. Back when fire disabled in one stack (I'm not really advocating a return to those mechanics, but maybe a reduction in the number of required stacks is in order), heatsink alone was enough to justify the use of gunners.
--- Quote from: Calico Jack on August 11, 2013, 10:23:46 am ---
--- Quote from: N-Sunderland on August 11, 2013, 09:29:56 am ---Why would you want your gunner loading heatsink when they can load an ammo type that boosts damage output while they repair their gun? Fire isn't enough of a threat to guns anymore for heatsink to be worth it at all.
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Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the 3 engie concept - but I have a feeling that the recent changes to chemspray and fire ext have something to do with its popularity. And with an engie even if you buff the guns you still only have 1 ammo type.
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I wasn't talking about three engineer setups there, but a one gunner setup where the gunner has, say, heavy-greased-heatsink on the gatling. You could load heatsink to stop your gun being damaged a bit, but you'l have way more of a benefit from just repairing through it and loading, in this case, greased rounds or heavy (depending on the range).
Calico Jack:
--- Quote from: N-Sunderland on August 11, 2013, 10:38:04 am ---I wasn't talking about three engineer setups there, but a one gunner setup
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ahh ok - but heatsink for example makes a good mid range round for the lumberjack with the added plus that it has extra rounds.
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