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MightyKeb:
--- Quote from: Kamoba on September 11, 2015, 02:54:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Thomas on September 11, 2015, 02:01:19 pm ---I don't know about the hwacha-fish not being used before, it was always decently popular as a disable ship, particularly against pyramidions. Mobula and spire are already powerful. Mobula in particular is a good choice against hwacha fish, since it's very difficult to break all the components in a hwacha burst (unless you have a great gunner/pilot combo). Spire is like a less maneuverable hwacha-fish, but hits a lot harder.
In competitive matches, squid might be fine, but in pub matches, trying to coordinate a crew on that fast moving ship is difficult, even if you do manage to dodge a lot of deadly shots. It's hard to stay in arcs long enough to be effective with how vulnerable the squid is, particularly against disables which you have to be certain to dodge.
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From what I've seen the biggest problem with pub crews on a squid is the side Gungineer camping hull or doing repairs because they panic when something is damaged or broken, often leaving the ship with just one gun shooting. Or of using gat mortar I've seen many gubgineers waste clips onto thin air while gat breaks armour, they complain no arcs, armour break comes and they're reloading...
Squid in pubs only works Caro flamer or gat banshee unless you are lucky with crew
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I disagree. Almost every squid loadout works in pubs. Infact, even the ones that aren't supposed to work do work in pubs. You're describing instances of novice crewing. You could put them on anything else but maybe a pyramidion and they would still cause problems.
Kamoba:
--- Quote from: MightyKeb on September 11, 2015, 04:51:22 pm ---
--- Quote from: Kamoba on September 11, 2015, 02:54:27 pm ---
--- Quote from: Thomas on September 11, 2015, 02:01:19 pm ---I don't know about the hwacha-fish not being used before, it was always decently popular as a disable ship, particularly against pyramidions. Mobula and spire are already powerful. Mobula in particular is a good choice against hwacha fish, since it's very difficult to break all the components in a hwacha burst (unless you have a great gunner/pilot combo). Spire is like a less maneuverable hwacha-fish, but hits a lot harder.
In competitive matches, squid might be fine, but in pub matches, trying to coordinate a crew on that fast moving ship is difficult, even if you do manage to dodge a lot of deadly shots. It's hard to stay in arcs long enough to be effective with how vulnerable the squid is, particularly against disables which you have to be certain to dodge.
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From what I've seen the biggest problem with pub crews on a squid is the side Gungineer camping hull or doing repairs because they panic when something is damaged or broken, often leaving the ship with just one gun shooting. Or of using gat mortar I've seen many gubgineers waste clips onto thin air while gat breaks armour, they complain no arcs, armour break comes and they're reloading...
Squid in pubs only works Caro flamer or gat banshee unless you are lucky with crew
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I disagree. Almost every squid loadout works in pubs. Infact, even the ones that aren't supposed to work do work in pubs. You're describing instances of novice crewing. You could put them on anything else but maybe a pyramidion and they would still cause problems.
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Very true... Well even the pyramidion has the same problems, such as upper deck engi repairing hull instead of shooting...
Byron Cavendish:
--- Quote from: Kamoba on September 11, 2015, 06:19:37 am ---
--- Quote from: Byron Cavendish on September 11, 2015, 12:16:38 am ---Just like the flamethrower, and the mino, and the everything. Hwacha nerf will come when low levels complain enough to be pandered to.
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Hwacha Nerf will come.
Though not a big Nerf, it will come.
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You knock on wood right now! Dammit man, this Eric we are talking about! He doesn't do subtle.
Spud Nick:
I am surprised to see that the spire is not used more in competitive play. A mino spire seems like it would be a great anti-counter to the sniper mob.
ZnC:
--- Quote from: Spud Nick on September 25, 2015, 10:29:32 am ---I am surprised to see that the spire is not used more in competitive play. A mino spire seems like it would be a great anti-counter to the sniper mob.
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On paper it would seem like it; in practice, one mercury shot and the Minotaur is out. As compared to the Minotaur, Lumberjack has better range, and stronger disable+kill power. I have hardly ever/never beaten a Mobula head on with a Spire, then again not many ships can beat the King of Control head on. The Hwachafish and Mobula meta has hurt the Spire, which is totally my favourite ship, more than I'd like.
Kill meta (Pyra, Blenderfish) gets nerfed, control meta will naturally be more effective, not to mention it has had a few buffs (i.e. Hwacha, stamina). However, I've always taught that the Mobula was always a strong ship. I didn't imagine a sniper ship to be surprizingly tanky (600 armor) and maneuverable (insane verticals, phoenix claw better than Galleon, Pyra, and Spire).
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