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What is keeping novices in novice?
Lanliss:
ZanE, I am afraid I disagree on blocking novices from playing pilot. I think it is important for them to learn all classes before they get to advanced games. I do however believe that they should be trapped in novice until they have reached a certain level, either by rank or by certain achievments. I think one of the best solutions would be to stop them from going to advanced games at all, unless they are invited to it. This would keep them in novice matches, where they can learn, as well as increase the number of novice matches, because all of these novices in advanced matches will be back to novice. The good players that learn unreasonably fast can then teach the less robotic players.
MidnightWonko:
I am very much opposed to the concept of funlocking (where you have to unlock the fun part of the game). To that end, it is my opinion that the only thing that should keep a novice restricted to a novice match is fear. If they're not afraid of better players kicking the #@%* out of them, then I think they should be allowed to join higher-level matches. After all, how are they supposed to learn about buffing, fire prevention, effective ammo types, engie parkour, etc if they never see it in action?
If locking absolutely must be in place, I would recommend locking higher-level matches until merely level 5 or so, and locking novice matches after level 10. I would also recommend that the locking only consider the highest level class for higher-level locking. The novice "promotion" lockout might be a bit trickier, as a player might consider ceasing leveling at 9 to stay in novice matches; I would imagine that this could be prevented by using a combination of questions: "does this player have a level 5+ class," and "is the sum of this player's class levels 10+?" If the answer to both questions is yes, he gets locked out of novice matches. This crap is too complicated. I think a simple "sum of levels" or "sum of experience" would be the best means of locking players into/out of novice matches, but for GOD'S SAKE, don't make it take too long to unlock!
Kamoba:
--- Quote from: MidnightWonko on March 01, 2015, 06:46:45 pm ---I am very much opposed to the concept of funlocking (where you have to unlock the fun part of the game). To that end, it is my opinion that the only thing that should keep a novice restricted to a novice match is fear. If they're not afraid of better players kicking the #@%* out of them, then I think they should be allowed to join higher-level matches. After all, how are they supposed to learn about buffing, fire prevention, effective ammo types, engie parkour, etc if they never see it in action?
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Most new players come into the game after watching a JackSepticEye Youtube video...
They see headless chickens run around explosions and Jack shouting down a mic about how fun it is...
Good advertisement from a companies perspective, but the product is unfortunately mis-sold because people play the game how they see it, get their butts kicked and wonder why dear old Jack didn't warn them.
Caprontos:
I think two changes could help the issue some..
Make novice last X matches. This removes any level issue..(At this point I personally wish they would just remove the level system entirely.. as its distracting)..
Make it so you can't opt out of novice mode unless you finish the tutorials (For MM searches).. This way there is at lest some chance they will know that mallet is repair and spanner is rebuild.. and maybe some other basic things that sometimes people don't know even after several matches..
I don't think we need a hard lock on it, where they can't leave due to community size.. friends.. etc Its good they can find a game in normal lobbies if needed.
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Another probably unpopular option is to leave novice as is.. but add an advanced lobby option where only players above X will be put in to it by mm.. But I doubt that could be a thing.. And like novice if not enough people are on you get moved back to a normal lobby...
Hoja Lateralus:
I recommend you watching youtube videos of people who played around 20 matches and make a "review" of a game in which they wait for a lobby for over 10 minutes, then leave mid match (because pilot left), they buff the whole ship instead of repairing it etc. etc.
Novice may stay as it is if level cap will be raised to lvl10 (preferably lvl15)
If it would be match cap I'd say 50 matches (preferably 100).
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