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What is keeping novices in novice?
MidnightWonko:
--- Quote from: Caprontos on March 01, 2015, 07:29:04 pm ---Make novice last X matches.
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Simple. Elegant. I like it.
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: Kamoba on March 01, 2015, 03:34:37 am ---I'd like to mention the other day I had a level 4 buff engineer (by his own choice because I was expecting to loose the match and was not worried by what my pubs took into game.)
Buffed engines, buffed hull, he asked on voice chat "How long does it last if I don't finish the buff?" Me: "Until component is destroyed or match assuming we don't die...."
He pre-buffed once we killed enemy fish!
Everything buffed and pre-buffed!
Whole low level.crew and we accumulated 4 kills, 2 deaths and a lost round....
Couldn't have explained how damn good they were...
They unfortunately hit a different time zone to me so I rarely see them...
My point is, not every new player is unable to cope with everything...
(However it is a minority which learn -that- fast..)
(not likely a Smurf account, he still.had a range finder)
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This is not a hard game. Shouldnt be surprised that people learn it fast.
But alas, as evident with reality most people are thick as bricks and need their hand held.
And I have no patience to teach a person with no ability to learn when the information is given. It's exactly why the AI clan is very exclusive when it comes to inviting noobs. And I understand why they eventually leave the game as their peers are just a pathetic joke in comparison.
Novices, need to stay in novice. Otherwise the feature is pointless. But most importantly. A novice must learn from the mode before graduating. Graduating as a single specialist class teaches NOTHING. A graduate should learn to be an all rounder.
e.g. graduated as a pilot? congrats you are an average pilot and nothing else. Now you gotta get through the advanced mode and learn two other classes under much harsher conditions.
Imagine:
Once again I must stress this point, locking novices into novice makes new people not be able to play with friends who have already passed the novice mark, and it's been Muse's long standing mantra to not let something like that happen (and before it comes up, from what I've seen, yes, it happens quite often).
Let's not kid ourselves here, this thread isn't about helping new people get better before they get into higher level games. This is basically a circlejerk about how much x person hates new people on their crew for whatever reason. Suck it up and move on.
Lanliss:
I am fine with novices being locked in novice, as they do need to learn the game. To address your issue Imagine I have recommended they be able to get invited to advanced matches, thus allowing them to play with their friends. I do not believe there should be any penalties on playing in adcanced matches, even though a lot of people seem to lean towards the "punish novices for being novice" ideas. I just believe that there should be something to keep them in the classroom until they show they have learned enough to be of actual use in a real game. Otherwise they might as well go to the Guns equivalent of Macdonald's.
Caprontos:
--- Quote from: Imagine on March 02, 2015, 11:28:05 am ---Once again I must stress this point, locking novices into novice makes new people not be able to play with friends who have already passed the novice mark, and it's been Muse's long standing mantra to not let something like that happen (and before it comes up, from what I've seen, yes, it happens quite often).
Let's not kid ourselves here, this thread isn't about helping new people get better before they get into higher level games. This is basically a circlejerk about how much x person hates new people on their crew for whatever reason. Suck it up and move on.
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Actually it doesn't have to lock them out at all because we have plenty of mechanics in game to let them play with friends that isn't MM. In the Fireside chat the devs agreed they should possibly do more to improve the situation. So I think its you who is out of touch on this issue. (watch around 20min mark for this weeks FSC, and 37min mark).
I don't hate new people or their crews or playing with them(my stranded for good new player is pretty low), I do find it unfun to just stomp them because MM can't do its job... (Granted I thinks its more a population issue then MM, I don't hate MM personally).
I do feel they aren't learning enough before they are being mixed in causing unnecessary issues.. That could be avoided if they learned first. If the game isn't teaching them the basics before mixing them in, then the game isn't doing a good job introducing them to basic concepts.
Some people are, I agree, a bit overly abusive toward new people.. and expect people to play better then they themselves most likely play.. If they lose its automatically because you suck.. - but they are minority from what I've seen.
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