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Spire Changes?
Skrimskraw:
come on guys...
why would you buff the spire, every ship has a hardcounter, the spire is vulnerable to hades that is fine, dont fly towards a hades then. use terrain and move around.
Spires can rule duel at dawn, canyon ambush and paritan rumble if you use clouds and cover.
I remember some time ago people wanted to buff the goldfish, now the goldfish is considered a good ship without the buffs, because pilots actually put efforts into flying it correctly.
Dementio:
The Spire's hardcounter is everything that shoots at it. No, you don't even have to shoot at it, a squid can ram it to death from up front without being shot at.
The Spire is not made to move around, since it is as slow as it is. It's tallness makes many covers not actual covers. It also hinders it from using certain routes, because it's just too tall to fit through, limiting its sneaky-ness.
Every ship can rule any map, but that relies on teamwork between captains and their crews as well as good strategizing mid-game. If you are good at these things and win with every ship than you are good pilot in a good clan/team, it does not make the ship balanced.
What is the Spire better at than other ships? A pyramidion can have the same killing power because you don't need more than a Gatling and a Mortar. A Mobula can have even more and it as well as most other ships can dodge and tank easier than the Spire could ever hope to.
It sure can have 1 medium gun and 3 light guns pointed at the same enemy, but is it enough to even out all its negatives? I think not. I would be almost ok with it if it would just be a tini tiny bit easier to engineer...
The more I think about the Spire the more I get the feeling it is just a joke ship.
Crafeksterty:
The balance im trying to imply is a ship wide function.
Upping the armor to the spire in my eyes will make it OP and at the same time less tanky in survivability.
But upping the Turning or the Acceleration can make or brake what the spire used to be.
Its not about having the spire fitting the role of a "WatchTower" or anything. Its still a ship, but the acceleration (Even with a slow speed) could be fast enough to utilise the Spires Body.
Like i mentioned, people really do miss shots at the spire when it flies side to side.
Either a much quicker turning, or a much quicker acceleration. Either way, you can still use the spires body.
This balance is not only better for the experienced players, new players or pub should be able to notice this and abuse it to a degree.
But take Skrimskraws comment a bit harder. What he says is true and there arent many spire fliers that showcase what the Spire can do.
That is why i say upping the armor can proove for an OP yett diminishing nature.
Mezhu:
Increasing the armor won't stop the spire from being a glass cannon. It won't nerf it's survivability either, Spire doesn't rely on quick hull rebuilds to overcome the enemy like the Goldfish or to an extend the Pyra do.
Instead, giving it more armor will give crew a slightly longer time window during which they can continue shooting. It will also stop the ship from dying when being rammed by anything.
Dutch Vanya:
--- Quote from: Dementio on July 04, 2014, 12:23:23 pm ---The Spire's hardcounter is everything that shoots at it. No, you don't even have to shoot at it, a squid can ram it to death from up front without being shot at.
The Spire is not made to move around, since it is as slow as it is. It's tallness makes many covers not actual covers. It also hinders it from using certain routes, because it's just too tall to fit through, limiting its sneaky-ness.
Every ship can rule any map, but that relies on teamwork between captains and their crews as well as good strategizing mid-game. If you are good at these things and win with every ship than you are good pilot in a good clan/team, it does not make the ship balanced.
What is the Spire better at than other ships? A pyramidion can have the same killing power because you don't need more than a Gatling and a Mortar. A Mobula can have even more and it as well as most other ships can dodge and tank easier than the Spire could ever hope to.
It sure can have 1 medium gun and 3 light guns pointed at the same enemy, but is it enough to even out all its negatives? I think not. I would be almost ok with it if it would just be a tini tiny bit easier to engineer...
The more I think about the Spire the more I get the feeling it is just a joke ship.
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Practice some more. It's not as bad as you think.
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