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Please Make Gunners Useful
Echoez:
--- Quote from: Zenark on October 11, 2013, 12:30:07 pm ---This is currently like the American Government; no matter how many people want Gunners to have a welcomed place on all ships, those who think they are useless will NEVER accept the thought of them being more useful. Any change made will have them frothing at the mouth screaming 'GUNNERS OVERPOWERD'. That being said, the same goes for the opposite, leaving the Gunner as is will have us all yelling 'GUNNER UNDERPOWERD'.
We, as a community will continue to argue about this topic and gain no ground because we are humans; stubborn as hell. In fact, I've never seen someone change their opinion on this topic. Everyone may listen, but they've made up their minds and no valid argument will convince them otherwise.
(Note when I say 'they' I mean 'most everyone'.)
please continue these arguments, not because we'll possibly get somewhere, but because it's brought entertainment since the beginning.
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You speak the truth dear sir, salutations to you :P
N-Sunderland:
Who was it who mentioned that ammo types don't work together in the same way that engineering tools do? I can't seem to find the post, but I think they hit the nail on the head. Let's look at a light mortar, for example, which is a pretty popular gun to stick gunners on.
A gunner will take something like lesmok (for the range), greased (for the DPS), and heatsink (for fire prevention). This gives them some strong versatility, but...
An engineer can take lesmok, but then also have a buff hammer and chem spray. On paper this gives them the same abilities as the gunner (range, power and fire prevention), but the key difference is that all three of these can be acting at once. If I want to protect my gun from fire as a gunner, I can't do so at longer ranges because of heatsink's projectile speed reduction. Similar story with greased. The biggest draw of the gungineer is that they can stack all of their abilities together.
Of course, there are guns that work rather differently. The lumberjack, for example, pretty much requires a gunner (the one situation where I might disagree with that is on the lumberspire, due to how isolated the front gun is from engineers, and if the enemy gets close to your Spire, something's gone terribly wrong anyways). Still, I don't see arming time being a solution for most guns...
I guess we'll have to wait and see what Muse comes up with.
@Zenark: Actually most of the people who don't use gunners now have been asking for them to get buffed for a long time. What do you think the whole purpose of that massive thread was?
Zenark:
A gunner on a mortar? Really? If I used a Meta setup, I'd prefer my gunner on the gatling so he could keep firing and the engie on the mortar could do stuff while waiting for the enemy hull to go down.
And if the pro-engie side wanted a change, they'd be more open to the ideas we present instead of tearing them apart.
Alistair MacBain:
If you want to take a light gun designed for gunners use the hades and not the friggin mortar.
THe mortars job is instagib the permahull when the armor is dead. It can instagib the hull even with the 11 shots from lesmok loaded so you dont need anything else.
A Hades is designed for a gunner. It needs lesmok on longer ranges and you actually get sth when hes close. So you take greased to increase the piercing dmg to drop down the hull.
I still say rather than change gunner class you would have to adjust the guns itself. Most guns are just not designed for a gunner.
N-Sunderland:
--- Quote from: Zenark on October 11, 2013, 12:47:15 pm ---A gunner on a mortar? Really? If I used a Meta setup, I'd prefer my gunner on the gatling so he could keep firing and the engie on the mortar could do stuff while waiting for the enemy hull to go down.
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Right. I agree 100%. I was just taking an example of a gun that a lot of people like putting a gunner on.
--- Quote from: Zenark on October 11, 2013, 12:47:15 pm ---And if the pro-engie side wanted a change, they'd be more open to the ideas we present instead of tearing them apart.
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Both sides of the argument seem to be putting in an equal amount of criticism. And as far as I can tell, most of the suggestions are being brought up by people in favour of engies.
But let's not argue over such an irrelevant point. It has no real bearing on the actual topic here.
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