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HamsterIV:
Actually the "Get inline and obey the captain" is one of the things most of us will agree on. There is no time for democracy on a ship. Captaining is difficult enough without random variables like crewmen bringing the wrong equipment/going the wrong class.

If you truly must be gunner switch to spectate and ask all the captains of the lobby who wants/needs a gunner. Do not force your decision to be gunner upon a captain who is unwilling.

Letonator:

--- Quote from: HamsterIV on October 11, 2013, 11:28:59 am ---Actually the "Get inline and obey the captain" is one of the things most of us will agree on. There is no time for democracy on a ship. Captaining is difficult enough without random variables like crewmen bringing the wrong equipment/going the wrong class.

If you truly must be gunner switch to spectate and ask all the captains of the lobby who wants/needs a gunner. Do not force your decision to be gunner upon a captain who is unwilling.

--- End quote ---

That's actually a really good point, and I don't think I worded myself right at all.

I'm absolutely gonna do what the captain asks of me, I'll switch out ammo selections and use specific guns and even keep an eye on a part or two when I'm asked to get off the guns a moment. Absolutely. I've flown under Zill before and I think he can attest I can be reasonable.

I will not switch to engineer. If there's already one gunner then I'm more than happy to find another team or sideline myself. No questions asked. Maybe a captain wants multiple gunners and that's great and I would be even happier, but that never happens. The majority of the time it's either a captain already has a favorite gunner or just wants three engineers, and I'm getting yelled at again.

The Djinn:

--- Quote from: Cid Ferringer on October 11, 2013, 07:21:55 am ---Although I like the idea of having to bring standard ammo. That's a really good idea.
--- End quote ---

I'd go the opposite way and say that it's a very poor idea, for the following reason: when you get on a gun that doesn't use your ammo type, the gun reloads. This means that "Normal" ammo is the default for a reason: if you don't know who is next on the gun and you aren't wielding the same ammo type, you default to Normal rounds so that gun is not user-specific for the next engagement. I feel that losing that removes the "normal" from Normal rounds, to the game's overall detriment.

All in all I have to agree with Hamster IV here: "Get in line and obey the Captain" may be a little harsh, but the reality is fairly close to that. If I have a guy who wants to play gunner then I'll damn well try to accommodate him, but if I feel my team will benefit most from a Pyramidion and my Pyramidion set-up prefers three Engineers to a 2-Engie\1-Gunner set-up, then yes I will request him to switch to Engineer and I will further expect him to trust that, as the captain and pilot of the ship, I know what my ship needs to stay alive and function at peak efficiency.

Overall, I think the Gunner is in a fine place: I use a Gunner on every ship in the game save for highly-specific Squid and Pyramidion loadouts (and maybe a Mobula loadout or two, merely because that ship is a bear to try to navigate and repair quickly). I want a gunner on every ship in the game save for those highly specific loadouts. Why? Because he has the tools to allow me to function at peak capacity with weapons that otherwise might not. For example: Heavy Clip + Burst makes a Hwacha devastating at almost any range, and an Engineer can't bring that sort of firepower to the table. So I don't think the Gunner needs much more than he has: he's already very strong on the right ships, and useless on next to no ships.

-Mad Maverick-:
i have never desired a gunner on any ship i have ever piloted.  i do not feel like any other feedback is necessary.  do something to make them more useful than triple engi please. 

Zenark:
This is currently like the American Government; no matter how many people want Gunners to have a welcomed place on all ships, those who think they are useless will NEVER accept the thought of them being more useful. Any change made will have them frothing at the mouth screaming 'GUNNERS OVERPOWERD'. That being said, the same goes for the opposite, leaving the Gunner as is will have us all yelling 'GUNNER UNDERPOWERD'.

We, as a community will continue to argue about this topic and gain no ground because we are humans; stubborn as hell. In fact, I've never seen someone change their opinion on this topic. Everyone may listen, but they've made up their minds and no valid argument will convince them otherwise.

(Note when I say 'they' I mean 'most everyone'.)

please continue these arguments, not because we'll possibly get somewhere, but because it's brought entertainment since the beginning.

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