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Ragequitting pilot captains and what to do about it
Moo:
Yeah, I proposed basically the same solution in the other thread. I think that would identify repeat offenders easily enough, without actually affecting their ability to play.
But yes. What the high-level captains can do to lessen the chance of the other team ragequitting is by avoiding stacking. When one captain on one team is higher level than all the captains on the other team added together, it's not likely to be a very enjoyable match for either side. Rather than having both high-levels on one team, why not just have one on each team. That way you both get a challenge, both lower-level captains might learn a thing or two, and much less chance of people ragequitting.
Captain Smollett:
--- Quote from: Andrej Peribosky on July 19, 2013, 04:46:51 pm ---But people play to have fun, and it's no fun when you get stomped again and again by a team you KNOW you cannot beat and you KNOW you can't get anything or learn anything by staying there.
In that match there was a full DUCK ship with a level 12 captain and a level 8 captain with level 4-5 crew.
On the other side there were a level 1-3 captains with AI and some low level crew.
One of the captains, while in the match, just wandered around aimlessy without having an idea what to do. He died four times to double gatflak coordinated fire.
Our captain then decided to leave. What could have he done? Stay and get killed? For what? I suspect he wasnt having any fun, and so he left.
Having a captain leave a match while in game is annoying. But it is more rude to start a match with full stacked teams vs new players, and i think the responsibility here would be more on the veterans to even things out.
As veterans, and especially as coordinated teams, it should be OUR responsibility to even the teams and allow for everyone to have a good experience.
You can prevent people leaving by having fair games, rather than having another counter on captains names.
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Well first of all; if they felt they were mismatched, they could have chosen not to play the game and joined a different match or requested a balancing of the teams rather than completely abandoning their crews and teammate and leaving them in a worse situation than they were to start with. This however completely misses the point of this post because people aren't just ragequitting because of "stacked teams" (whatever that means). Captains will often leave as soon as they die and it seems they might not win, rather than trying to fight back and save victory from the jaws of defeat.
The truth of the matter is that as captain you take on a certain responsibility to your team and abandoning that because you're not having fun ruins the experience of everyone else and is about as mature as a child who takes his ball home at the playground since he's not winning.
--- Quote from: JaegerDelta on July 19, 2013, 05:05:50 pm ---
but also a D/C% wouldnt really solve the problem would it? people who leave the game mid match, enough to warrant such a system, are often not sticking with the game anyway. I rarely ever run into those people again after they leave a game.
Edit: also this is somthing we could actually measure. if one were to add people who d/c'd mid game and never rejoined to their friends list and tracked their days since last login.
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It's happening so much now that it's not only players doing it who don't ever play again. I see it a ton from level 4+ captains. Knowing that you might not get quality crew because of your propensity to abandon them at the first sign of trouble leads to a good incentive to stick in the fight. If things really don't seem at all winable you're always left the option to leave with dignity by surrendering with your teammate and going back to the lobby.
Calico Jack:
Most rage quits could be dealt with by ensuring there are level 1-3 games running as simple as that, ensuring you don't get crews and or captains who are still learning the basics mixing it up with crews and or captains who have some idea of what they're doing. Or a high level shark in a pool of level 1 minnows.
I know I'm not alone in doing this, I mostly captain but I will roles if I think there will be balance issues when I join a match.
That said I personally feel the tutorials have made things slightly worse as new players seem more reticent take advice than they were prior to., though it may be just coincidence and the kind of player we're getting now is the product of hand holding games where they'd win no matter how badly they played.
Calico Jack:
--- Quote from: Andrej Peribosky on July 19, 2013, 04:46:51 pm ---.
In that match there was a level 12 captain and a level 8 captain with level 4-5 crew.
On the other side there were a level 1-3 captains with AI and some low level crew.
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I remember joining a 2v2 match a whiled back with 2 full crews of the same clan withs one captain a CA. I joined to help out the weaker side which unsurprisingly lost, but after the match one of the CA starting giving advice about what the other team should be doing to get better. I have to say I got slightly irked - and pointed out that the CA perhaps should be crewing with the weaker side and advising them during the game if they really wanted to help.
There then ensued a series if cat calls from the rest of the crew members to the effect I should have known better than to join low level crews and was a sore loser - which irked me more because losing wasn't the reason I was strongly stating my opinion.
The CA then changed sides but asked me if I objected to him playing with his friends or that his friends wanted to play together. I understand what he was asking and I've been in that situation myself, but sometimes you just have to do stuff to make sure the game is fun for everyone.
Captain Smollett:
Not that I disagree with your sentiment but that's really off topic.
People don't rage quit because of stacked teams that they chose to play against and then quit in the middle of.
People are rage quitting all over the place, against higher ranked teams, lower ranked teams, same ranked teams. It's becoming really common, and when one person gets left over and over by their captains and teammates they stop caring about doing it to other people. It's getting to the point where there is a rage quit in a huge % of my matches and it's been getting more common every day.
It's eroding our community and no amount of finger pointing is going to fix the problem. You can blame global warming if you want but we really need to put a system in place to discourage this.
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