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GUNS Balance Questions and Concerns v1.2

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Machiavelliest:
As far as I could tell, it wasn't a hammer of doom per se, but gat/flak is definitely the prevailing medium weapon combo once again.

Lord Dick Tim:
From what my gunners did with the Artemis after the change it became clear they needed to step up their game and think about using different kinds of ammo for different situations, which is what having a gunner over a gungineer is all about.
I was seeing the Artemis used effectively with a gunner who knew what ammo to have for different ranges or situations.  I really want to hammer this home, the changes seem to target that gungineer mentality we've seen keep cropping it's ugly head up into the casual game space. 

Course I'm also an extremist in the gun balancing camp, Nerf them all to hell and make it so gunners ammo diversity is your only sure way to get a kill.

AquaMac:
Bubbles, I think the point is Phoebe, being one of the best Lumber Jackers in the game, became every frustrated with the new update for there was not mention of changes that could effect the Lumber Jack. I was there when she was missing all of her shots, shots that were very easy for her before. She had spent many, many hours perfecting her skills at Lumber Jack, only to have the rug pulled out from under her, as the cliche goes. Now wether that was intentional or not is another story. Wether the Lumber Jack was changed or not, something was changed, and we had a hard time figuring out why.

Sometimes in text things can get misconstrued. Wether you were laughing at her, or yourself can be misinterpreted either way. I frankly did not know either way. If that was the case that you were laughing at yourself, maybe we can just post this up to another misunderstanding due to text chat.

After saying what you did, we did go to the sandbox, and were able to pretty much figure it out. Before that though, we kept being told that nothing was changed on the Lumber Jack. We knew something was wrong, and both of us were frustrated. I understand some things are going to be changed for better or for worse, but it is frustrating not knowing why, or not even know it was changed.

I just hope you can understand that Bubbles  that for serious competitive players this can be blind curve and very frustrating, even if it is for the better. Sometimes things can be said out of anger, because of that frustration.   :)

RearAdmiralZill:
Ofiach posted his concerns in length about the artemis nerf in another thread, and I feel it's good for this discussion to show that and my reply in the artemis' favor following it.

https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,649.msg15127.html#msg15127

Squash:

--- Quote from: AquaMac on May 11, 2013, 07:49:12 am ---Before that though, we kept being told that nothing was changed on the Lumber Jack. We knew something was wrong, and both of us were frustrated. I understand some things are going to be changed for better or for worse, but it is frustrating not knowing why, or not even know it was changed.
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I probably shouldn't be wading into... *This*. But Moriarty, Morblitz and myself have spent a ton of time with lumberjacks since the labyrinth patch, and we don't think it's changed at all...

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