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GUNS Balance Questions and Concerns v1.2
Ofiach:
--- Quote from: Mattilald Anguisad on May 20, 2013, 07:29:51 pm ---Lumberjack has smiilar spread to Typhoon (the major diffirence being that with typhoon you shoot directly at the recticle and clearly see the deviation, while with lumberjack you don't) - at ablut 1-1.2KM range gunners typicaly switch to heavy clip, becouse it makes lumberjack incredibly accurate (lumberjack does not have muc longer range with heavy clip, and without it the spread can be an issue).
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Smoke two in the morning..... ?
Your understanding of mechanics is just plain wrong, or you're trolling me, or (and I'm hoping this is the case) english isn't a strong language for you and you have misstated this. Heavy Clip on a LumberJack, does absolutely nothing, wait sorry it actually makes the gun a little worse. Bullet deviation does not happen with a Lumberjack unless your pilot is diddling the wheel for fun.
Making an assumption here but. Don't just listen to the stream and think you know how it works, Qwerty is wrong on ammo types ALOT heavy for an artemis, heavy for a mortar, etc etc. he's fun to listen to but he needs to brush up on some of the mechanics.
Also... A pyri is too slow to dodge a hwacha barrage??? If the guy is past 500 meters hes gonna miss and I won't have to use chute or hydro. The galleon might have to but the hwacha does no damage to the balloon so who cares if you chute vent or hydro out of the way?
A gat can kill a goldfishes front gun and it's hull armor with one heavy clip??? Seriously *looks around* wheres the camera for this episode of punk'd.
Mattilald are you even playing the same game?
Jerzayl:
I have issue with the Manticore. The thought that it doesn't do a lot of hull damage seems false to me. You can take out a galleon in three shots, the first shot having disabled most if not every component (guns, engines), leaving any ship crippled right off the bat. Then it's just a waiting game on reloads. A single person using the spanner on a component will have about 1 second before the next Manticore hit lands.
If anything, I'd want the manticore to do next to no damage to the hull as it is already such a disability powerhouse.
Mattilald Anguisad:
--- Quote from: Ofiach on May 20, 2013, 08:16:03 pm ---
--- Quote from: Mattilald Anguisad on May 20, 2013, 07:29:51 pm ---Lumberjack has smiilar spread to Typhoon (the major diffirence being that with typhoon you shoot directly at the recticle and clearly see the deviation, while with lumberjack you don't) - at ablut 1-1.2KM range gunners typicaly switch to heavy clip, becouse it makes lumberjack incredibly accurate (lumberjack does not have muc longer range with heavy clip, and without it the spread can be an issue).
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Smoke two in the morning..... ?
Your understanding of mechanics is just plain wrong, or you're trolling me, or (and I'm hoping this is the case) english isn't a strong language for you and you have misstated this. Heavy Clip on a LumberJack, does absolutely nothing, wait sorry it actually makes the gun a little worse. Bullet deviation does not happen with a Lumberjack unless your pilot is diddling the wheel for fun.
Making an assumption here but. Don't just listen to the stream and think you know how it works, Qwerty is wrong on ammo types ALOT heavy for an artemis, heavy for a mortar, etc etc. he's fun to listen to but he needs to brush up on some of the mechanics.
Also... A pyri is too slow to dodge a hwacha barrage??? If the guy is past 500 meters hes gonna miss and I won't have to use chute or hydro. The galleon might have to but the hwacha does no damage to the balloon so who cares if you chute vent or hydro out of the way?
A gat can kill a goldfishes front gun and it's hull armor with one heavy clip??? Seriously *looks around* wheres the camera for this episode of punk'd.
Mattilald are you even playing the same game?
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I'm not sure witch game YOU've been playing. I've not been not only watching stream (and ussualy I'm one of the people correcting qwerty and swallow) but I have streamed on a Tournament and COGs matches. The game streamed is the one I've been sinking most of my time into when it comes gaming.
I can generaly hit 55-60 shots per clip with gatling. Unless I fuck up marojrly, I take out Armor and the main gun on the Goldfish while using heavy clip (gatling has then practicaly 0 spread).
Typhoon and LJ have simmilar spread without any ammo. Like all weapons (with exception of Scyla witch has had it's spread removed 1.2) LJ and Typhoon have spread, not as much as hawacha, but it has. Heavy does not make spread worse on any weapon -by experience and definition. Yes it decreases the maximim range, but that is generally worth it for better accuracy or just becouse enemy is within your arming time (goes for both flak and LJ).
Pyra has ALL acerelation very slow. I've been practicing a lot on dodging hwacha barrages on pyra - and it is imposible agains good gunners without the use of propper tools. Good Hwacha gunner will dissable your stuff even when having you are hiding in a cloud and they are tracking your movement without sight or spot marker. Heavy clip makea an incredible diffirence in hawacha's spread. You don't have to kill the baloon with hawacha, you can simply kill the LJ or Typhoon enemy has - or at least up to 800 range. 1000 range will apparently still hit hard, but will have harder time destroying specific components.
Machiavelliest:
If you want to slap-fight about who is more betterest when play game, do it elsewhere. Please focus on the relevant content in your posts.
I'm going to bring up the weird turning and firing mechanics again, because the physics seem wrong and counterintuitive. Since the weapons caster freely in their turning arcs, it really should only be the linear velocity of the gun emplacement in space that's transferred to the projectile. Putting a little turn in shouldn't cause a Mercury to start firing like it's bent 10 degrees one way or the other.
Ofiach:
Face -> Desk over and over.
Heavy clip in a lumberjack is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard... I'm just saying if you don't understand the basics of a gun how can you make an informed opinion of it?
Jesus how can you even post when you don't understand the simplest of game mechanics. The lumberjack has 0 bullet deviation, heavy clip does absolutely nothing to the gun. No wait IT SLOWS THE BULLET DOWN, making it worse. Your previous replies I tried to ignore such as an all flamer squid being the ultimate counter to galleons ::).
I'm specifically talking about this gun and you don't have the foggiest idea of what ammo to use on it. At the risk of sounding repetitive how the hell can you make a post about a gun when you don't even understand how it works?
@ machiavellist you're right the topic did get derailed but that's what happens with goonswarm tactics, anything to change the focus.
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