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I am begging, please add minimum level requirements to pilot...
Lu Lu:
Now, I might sound a little naive here, but maybe the problem isn't letting novices pilot (As this thread was originally created to address), the underlying issue here is just a lack knowledge in the new player base. Forgive me if I'm wrong here (I probably am) but it seems like the argument has gone a little like this:
Novices shouldn't pilot without prior experience
It's not their fault, they just don't know any better, if you teach them, they usually are eager to learn
Even then, some just refuse to learn and are terrible team players
Well those are a minority, we shouldn't let a small group taint the batch
So, they're ruining the online experience and wrecking the game for everyone else
Everyone has to start somewhere, even the best of today's vets were noobs at some point
Well, I learned really quickly and was a great team player
That's what everyone thinks initially, in truth, we all suck but like to believe we're good
In all honesty, this is what it seems like the entire argument has broken down into 3 main focuses:
A: Whose job is it to educate these players, the tutorial, experience players, or just in game experience
B: Do we really need to level lock features and options
C: Even if these novices are bad, is that really the issue, or is the issue just the sudden surge of them all at once
This is all just my analysis of the situation at hand. I only posted this because I felt like we were starting to veer off track of the initial discussions of this thread.
BlackenedPies:
--- Quote from: Luharis ---Now, I might sound a little naive here, but maybe the problem isn't letting novices pilot (As this thread was originally created to address), the underlying issue here is just a lack knowledge in the new player base. Forgive me if I'm wrong here (I probably am) but it seems like the argument has gone a little like this:
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Yes you're on point. First off brand new players shouldn't play their first matches as pilot in pub matches. The only way to prevent this is Muse and they will be opposed to any sort of restrictions. Even the requirement to graduate from novice would probably be too much. That's why I'd propose a low requirement like reaching level 3 or by first piloting in novice matches. Any requirement that sounds remotely restrictive will be rejected by Muse. (For those who are new I'm stating this from the community's experience with Muse)
Having vets teach new players is impractical. The current tutorial isn't enough and I doubt a simple update would change anything. The best learning tools are videos but there are no accessible videos for this game. Search Guns of Icarus on Youtube and you'll find nothing but pubs guessing. There have been past attempts to make tutorials but in my view they're not practical. The best way to make tutorials accessible is to feature them in-game which would require approval from Muse
Red-Xiii:
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--- Quote from: Atruejedi on January 11, 2016, 08:02:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 11, 2016, 06:56:29 pm ---I'm really REALLY getting sick of this hand holding culture that just doesn't encourage people to step up and strive to improve.
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I would typically agree with you, but this is a TEAM game... and one bad player effects EVERYBODY in the match, not just that new and/or bad player. If this were Mario Kart or Mortal Kombat, I'd say, "Screw you, if you're awful, that's on you. You're only losing for yourself." But Guns of Icarus is nothing like those games. A hand-holding culture is necessary to improve the game for EVERYBODY. You're being selfish, honestly. And that's fine. But don't expect the game to grow or the quality of the player base to rise. We're all in this together. Start acting like it and do some work. Otherwise, don't complain.
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I point your point to the MOBA genre and tell me again if hand holding culture is necessary. The game is PVP, by nature the game is get good or gtfo.
Hell team sports in general. No one wants that short fat kid.
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This is exactly the problem this thread was started on. This isnt a moba. PVP doesnt mean "git gud" Its just the culture thats been created in other games. This game should be ABOVE that. Thats the point. These statements youre making are toxic.
Dutch Vanya:
--- Quote from: Dilley'B on January 13, 2016, 06:15:15 am ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 12, 2016, 06:21:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on January 11, 2016, 08:02:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 11, 2016, 06:56:29 pm ---I'm really REALLY getting sick of this hand holding culture that just doesn't encourage people to step up and strive to improve.
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I would typically agree with you, but this is a TEAM game... and one bad player effects EVERYBODY in the match, not just that new and/or bad player. If this were Mario Kart or Mortal Kombat, I'd say, "Screw you, if you're awful, that's on you. You're only losing for yourself." But Guns of Icarus is nothing like those games. A hand-holding culture is necessary to improve the game for EVERYBODY. You're being selfish, honestly. And that's fine. But don't expect the game to grow or the quality of the player base to rise. We're all in this together. Start acting like it and do some work. Otherwise, don't complain.
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I point your point to the MOBA genre and tell me again if hand holding culture is necessary. The game is PVP, by nature the game is get good or gtfo.
Hell team sports in general. No one wants that short fat kid.
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This is exactly the problem this thread was started on. This isnt a moba. PVP doesnt mean "git gud" Its just the culture thats been created in other games. This game should be ABOVE that. Thats the point. These statements youre making are toxic.
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Just like every statement maximillion has ever made.
nanoduckling:
I'll play with the polite short fat kid, I don't want the asshole be they short, tall, fat, thin, adolescent or adult.
--- Quote from: Luharis on January 12, 2016, 07:27:56 pm ---Well, I learned really quickly and was a great team player
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I didn't learn quickly and I'm still a bloody awful engineer. I still follow orders though. This isn't about good vs. bad, except maybe for Ceres, who I think everyone can agree (including Ceres) is probably best not put with most novice players. This is about playing a cooperative multiplayer online game cooperatively.
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