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I am begging, please add minimum level requirements to pilot...

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ZnC:

--- Quote from: nanoduckling on January 13, 2016, 08:52:33 am ---This is about playing a cooperative multiplayer online game cooperatively.

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Tis wisedom in this sentence.

Arturo Sanchez:

--- Quote from: Dilley'B on January 13, 2016, 06:15:15 am ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 12, 2016, 06:21:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on January 11, 2016, 08:02:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 11, 2016, 06:56:29 pm ---I'm really REALLY getting sick of this hand holding culture that just doesn't encourage people to step up and strive to improve.
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I would typically agree with you, but this is a TEAM game... and one bad player effects EVERYBODY in the match, not just that new and/or bad player. If this were Mario Kart or Mortal Kombat, I'd say, "Screw you, if you're awful, that's on you. You're only losing for yourself." But Guns of Icarus is nothing like those games. A hand-holding culture is necessary to improve the game for EVERYBODY. You're being selfish, honestly. And that's fine. But don't expect the game to grow or the quality of the player base to rise. We're all in this together. Start acting like it and do some work. Otherwise, don't complain.

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I point your point to the MOBA genre and tell me again if hand holding culture is necessary. The game is PVP, by nature the game is get good or gtfo.

Hell team sports in general. No one wants that short fat kid.

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This is exactly the problem this thread was started on.  This isnt a moba.  PVP doesnt mean "git gud"  Its just the culture thats been created in other games.  This game should be ABOVE that.  Thats the point.  These statements youre making are toxic.

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the moba genre is heavily team based and when a player drags the team down the people that need to pick up the slsck are frustrated by the handicap forced upon them.

if you are saying that feeling or scenario has never occurred on this game then you are a liar.


yes guns is not moba guess what. did goddamn say it is? just saying its not is just a weak sauce counter point to the obvious point I was making where guns has similar structures.

is this discussion going to be continued with blatant denial as a talking point?

Red-Xiii:

--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 13, 2016, 04:15:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Dilley'B on January 13, 2016, 06:15:15 am ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 12, 2016, 06:21:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on January 11, 2016, 08:02:08 pm ---
--- Quote from: Maximillian Jazzhand on January 11, 2016, 06:56:29 pm ---I'm really REALLY getting sick of this hand holding culture that just doesn't encourage people to step up and strive to improve.
--- End quote ---

I would typically agree with you, but this is a TEAM game... and one bad player effects EVERYBODY in the match, not just that new and/or bad player. If this were Mario Kart or Mortal Kombat, I'd say, "Screw you, if you're awful, that's on you. You're only losing for yourself." But Guns of Icarus is nothing like those games. A hand-holding culture is necessary to improve the game for EVERYBODY. You're being selfish, honestly. And that's fine. But don't expect the game to grow or the quality of the player base to rise. We're all in this together. Start acting like it and do some work. Otherwise, don't complain.

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I point your point to the MOBA genre and tell me again if hand holding culture is necessary. The game is PVP, by nature the game is get good or gtfo.

Hell team sports in general. No one wants that short fat kid.

--- End quote ---

This is exactly the problem this thread was started on.  This isnt a moba.  PVP doesnt mean "git gud"  Its just the culture thats been created in other games.  This game should be ABOVE that.  Thats the point.  These statements youre making are toxic.

--- End quote ---
the moba genre is heavily team based and when a player drags the team down the people that need to pick up the slsck are frustrated by the handicap forced upon them.

if you are saying that feeling or scenario has never occurred on this game then you are a liar.


yes guns is not moba guess what. did goddamn say it is? just saying its not is just a weak sauce counter point to the obvious point I was making where guns has similar structures.

is this discussion going to be continued with blatant denial as a talking point?

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Your very specific attitude towards this whole conversation is the ENTIRE issue.  The way novices are treated as crew and as a pilot does impact the longevity and amount of players in the game.  Whether you admit it or not.  That kind of attitude belongs only for the tournaments, or where you have something on the line.  I didnt wanna bring it up but you are forcing my hand here.  You Max, specifically, tear into novices from spectate mode.  You sit in lobbies and tell them in not so polite manner their ship sucks, their weopons sucks, the crews loadouts are all wrong, and then you magically jump to another lobby without so much a Q&A session so they understand why you are bitching at them.  You are solo killing the novices will by yourself.  Toxic.  You need a break from this game.  A long one. 

Hoja Lateralus:
@up

Schwalbe:


Congrats for having more balls than I to say what should've been said quite some time ago.

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