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Newbluud:

--- Quote from: DaOrks on July 30, 2015, 10:49:37 pm ---
--- Quote from: Extirminator on July 30, 2015, 08:18:17 pm ---I agree with Matthew on that one.

They want to expose a larger audience to the game, so they need to address people with high view counts. People with high view counts usually do this youtube thing for a living and thus don't have time to play a single game consistently to get good at it. Most of the people who watch them don't even care about the gameplay quality of the players but more about the commentary and laughs.

Are you watching competitive streams of games you never seen or played? - No.
Most viewers will not randomly watch a competitive match of a game they just got introduced to, and be engaged and moved by it - because they don't know how the game works, nor have they ever played it to understand it and the game's mechanics. Even players who already own the game or at least a large majority of them - for the first few months of their gaming, STILL don't take active part in competitive events, competitive play or generally care about competitive at all.
Competitive plays are only appealing to players who already play the game for a while now, and in order to make that pool bigger we need to add more players into it by having promotional events and sales. Only then will the competitive promotions will work, because there will be a larger targeted audience.
The only flaw is that old-school players are not staying around because of the frustration from the lack of content. So all you get is waves of new people, they get bored of the game and leave, and then waves of new people.


As a side note, the way you plainly copy pasted the entire conversation with Matthew and Howard and posted it online is pretty rude and disrespectful. If I were you I would take it down and put an actual message from you about the subject.

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There are youtubers like Northerlion (Binding Of Issac), Arumba (Eu4), Quill18 (Eu4/Civ5). They put out a shitload of videos on a single game and get very good at it. GoI just needs a youtuber like them to pick it up! (And hopefully not kill their channel by focusing on GoI)

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If only I had the charisma. I'm not amazing but I think I'm a decent mid-level player with aspirations of improvement. I've wanted some solid GoI content for some time now.

Squidslinger Gilder:
Hey I know, lets have tubers vs competitive teams and show people how its done by making the tubers cry like the little brats they are! :D

Exactly why Muse would never ask me or others here to help them showcase. Some of us don't have a "go easy on them" mode. We'd be like..."so they can get 1 kill?" Muse..."no, go easy on them!" Us.. "So let them get a kill. Gotcha!" Muse..."No thats not what I...sigh...please take crap builds, please?" Us..."Right, harpoons and mines and give them a kill, no problem boss!"

Kamoba:

--- Quote from: BlackenedPies on July 30, 2015, 09:03:08 pm ---If you look up Guns of Icarus in youtube every video is new players guessing how to play. It was painful for me to watch the promotional videos because despite the entertainment there's too much mistakes and misinformation.

The promotional videos wouldn't stand up in pub matches. To show the game we need veterans alongside youtubers. Put celebrities on veteran ships in good lobbies and play real matches.

Competitive videos might help but it's not the answer. The game isn't difficult but it's not intuitive. Invite AJ, TB, or anyone else to join you and show our game.

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This^

Carn:

--- Quote from: Gilder Unfettered on July 31, 2015, 02:32:39 am ---Hey I know, lets have tubers vs competitive teams and show people how its done by making the tubers cry like the little brats they are! :D

Exactly why Muse would never ask me or others here to help them showcase. Some of us don't have a "go easy on them" mode. We'd be like..."so they can get 1 kill?" Muse..."no, go easy on them!" Us.. "So let them get a kill. Gotcha!" Muse..."No thats not what I...sigh...please take crap builds, please?" Us..."Right, harpoons and mines and give them a kill, no problem boss!"

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But but, that IS going easy! Gilder, why does muse want to nerf players?

Hilary Briss:
Most of the buyers from the Youtube events saw their Idols just really being Scrubs and laughing lots. The followers see X laughing and getting a kill. Unfortunately the game is actually nothing like that, they merely show the OMG the Hull is down were going to die hahaha Derp.

Yes there is laughter, but not the way the you-tubers portray it. The game is far harder than they would have their audience believe.

Many of us spent - spend hours teaching (continue to do so) the influx of players in an effort to swell the player base. To then only to watch it plummet back down to original numbers + maybe 70 (being generous) or so new players after 2 weeks or so.

Youtube may well be a good way to advertise the game. But they really are giving the wrong impression of the game to far too many of their viewers.

Not saying the Events are bad. Just that they need to have the Tubers pitted against a competent crew of even the same level players to highlight the fact it takes a special kind of person to "Icarus"

Let me point out still 100% committed to the "Icarus project" and still doing my best to help it thrive.

My humble opinion.

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