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Was GOIO A Fluke?

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Ayetach:
There are a few posts that concern me so I'm going to make it very clear to all the posters here that we do follow the community standards here like we do in-game. Lets avoid unnecessary provocations & disrespectful remarks and stick to the constructive criticism - I don't mind the lively discussions on matters regarding the game but again lets keep the inflammatory remarks to a minimum irrespective of who you are. Thanks! ^^

Just incase someone needs a reference here's a link to the Community Standards so that we are clear on our conduct as posters.

Piemanlives:
I can't believe I'm actually doing this.

People, this is going to cross the line eventually and before it does I'd like to remind you all that there are people watching this thread and are none too pleased with it.

First off thanks to my fellow CA's for trying to keep the peace. Secondly, shame on all of you who have taken the argument this far.


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Also this argument has literally nothing to do with the subject at hand, please take this discussion to PM's so none of us have to deal with it.

If this thread is to remain open we need to take the hostility down a few notches and discuss this like adults, I can't see why we have to be so rude to one another over someones take on the matter, all it does is foster a divide within the community and that was never something that could end well, those of you who have been around long enough know what I'm talking about.

Sure you have opinions about the matter, but if all it boils down to is saying "You don't agree with me so now you're an idiot" this will remain as unproductive as it has become and we'll keep going in circles till the end of time.

Also hi, to those of you who don't know me I do exist, to those who do know me I still exist.

Omniraptor:

--- Quote from: Richard LeMoon on May 04, 2015, 10:39:22 pm ---I actually emailed MUSE the night before the update practically begging them not to put certain things in. I was there from day one of stamina testing. My opinion never changed, and still has not. It is fun, but will be bad for new players. I knew they were putting way too much effort into it to simply drop it, so spent those weeks trying to give as much feedback as possible to soften the edges. The results show. Though I am still not happy with the results, I am proud of having shaped them. Perhaps we will see some of the other ideas I peddled.

The UI was the main reason for the last minute email. They have shown interest in some of my suggestions, and have passed them on to the art team.

The nerf to heavy clip was my strong suggestion, and I still think it a good one (with the addition of a few other things they left out).

So, ya. Logicalia is right. You are wrong, again. :)

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That was you richard? It was a good suggestion of game design ammo effects should not be quite so drastic as to be required, and heavy clip was required. But still YOU (helped) break my favorite toy [cry].

As for putting 'too much effort' into something, try emailing muse an article about the sunk cost fallacy, I am sure they will appreciate it :P

The real question is, did you know it was the night before an update? how?

ZnC:
I believe the biggest problem with stamina is that it goes against the simplicity of the game. A new core mechanic can add depth to the game, but the important thing is if it's fun. Otherwise, it would decrease the focus on already enjoyable game elements and upset players.

Omniraptor mentioned something in the past which has since became my favourite GOIO quote: "GOI is a very elegant/simple game, because everything interacts with everything else in a predictable and consistent manner. The fun comes from positioning and mastery of gunnery/repair."

Also, discussions are to share ideas and talk through them, not to convince other people that they are wrong. If you know that you are absolutely right, good; keep it to yourself. Personally though, I would never reply to anyone with a page in my "doesn't think deeply" or "absolute moron" book.

Richard LeMoon:
I was testing in dev app and was told by someone there that those changes were going live in the morning. I thought they were joking. I was actually already writing the email and was halfway done before I was told. I may have gotten a little hostile in my words after hearing that (I did apologize).

I do try to test things out in devapp as often as I can and give helpful critiques. I have been on dev teams before (as a writer), and understand the effect of players' frustrated yelling on dev motivation and interaction with the community. Basically, the more toxic the community, the less the devs listen. I was one of the few that would still sift through the raging dross to find the valid feedback. What you do learn as well as that the loudest and most hostile people are not often representative of the greater silent population.

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