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Dementio:

--- Quote from: Watchmaker on April 10, 2015, 12:09:40 pm ---- Carronade arcs reduced slightly
- Heavy Carronade range reduced slightly
- Carronade reload times slightly increased
- Med Carronade shatter damage decreased, some damage added to flechette side

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Reducing arcs, it is a nice balanced nerf for such a universal gun, but with the excpetion of the reload (which is an arguably little change), I wouldn't want any other nerf on it after that. You can't really nerf the gun more after that anyway, unless actually being smart enough to lower the shatter damage to a reasonable amount, since sniping components for a balloon popping gun is silly. (Make way for the close range Mercury!)
If you reduce the range of the Heavy Carronade the please also reduce the range of the Light Carronade. Their ranges are way to close to each other.
Change of damage didn't change much, but hey, at least the armor dies a little bit slower.

And what is a Med Carronade anyway, (they mean heavy carronade, but they refer to it with two different names which is a silly thing to do).



--- Quote from: Lanliss on April 10, 2015, 12:45:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Extirminator on April 10, 2015, 12:33:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: Watchmaker on April 10, 2015, 12:09:40 pm ---- Heavy Clip now reduces recoil by 95% (was 100%)

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Facepalm so hard...

https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,5994.msg100459.html#msg100459

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I don't understand why you say facepalm. That post looks like a complaint about changes to how heavy clip behaves with carronade only. The dev post does not say it will only affect carronade. I think some spread on hwacha will work out well, to limit the long range snipe chain that you can do with heavy clip.

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He did so, because in his post that he links to, he describes how very little change it does. It now mostly effects the Heavy Clip Hwacha, which was already hard to hit with in long range and now is possibly even harder to hit with, unless the target is moving to dodge, then I guess the spread can help hitting a bit better, but it does not reward poin-point accuarcy at all. Other guns affected by it are Banshee, Gatling and Minotaur.



--- Quote from: Lanliss on April 10, 2015, 12:53:28 pm ---Nobody asked for it, but I think it seems reasonable.

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If nobody asked for a change, then why do it in the first place? I say it was is one of the best ammo types out of the few that Muse has created and shouldn't be touched.
Accuracy with guns like Hwacha at long range with Heavy clip should be rewarded with actually doing stuff, not with the spread of fucking you up.

ZnC:
@Watchmaker:
Check the values on the Heavy Carronade upward angles, they are still very high. Penetration also went to every other gun, not sure if intended.


Banshee shots going through the ship


--- Quote from: Watchmaker on April 10, 2015, 12:09:40 pm ---- Carronade arcs reduced slightly
- Heavy Carronade range reduced slightly
- Heavy Clip now reduces recoil by 95% (was 100%)
- Carronade reload times slightly increased
- Heavy Carronade shatter damage decreased, some damage added to flechette side

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Arc nerfs are probably to compensate for Stamina, I agree with range nerf because Blenderfish's initiation range was too easy. Damage change only really affects component sniping, and reload time affects killing power and gives enemies a better window of defending themselves.
Just like Extir pointed out, Heavy Clip change feels more like a nerf to the Hwacha than the Carronade.

Extirminator:

--- Quote from: Dementio on April 10, 2015, 01:14:47 pm ---Other guns affected by it are Banshee, Gatling and Minotaur.

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While gatling and banshee are affected by it, they are affected in a very minor way. The only one suffering from the 95% is hwacha, and possibly minotaur which was already harder to shoot but I can't calculate by how much because I don't have the jitter stat for it.

The point is, 95% doesn't do much and in most cases makes the carronades even easier to snipe with. To get an actual effect you will have to drop it even further which in return will make other weapons namely hwacha, minotaur and arguably banshee suffer too, and the nerf is supposed to affect carronades and not other guns which were completely fine before.
That is why going down the road of heavyclip changes is completely senseless and damaging rather than benefiting.

Watchmaker:
Trails extending a bit too far has literally always been a thing (blame the combination of latency and high projectile speeds.)  Unless you have a case where this breaks in dev app but not in production that's a known (and minor visual) issue.

Richard LeMoon:
The explosions are happening behind the target as well. At least 50 meters behind the target after the hit. We should have been showing the flak where this is more evident. Going to grab some screenshots now.

OK, just tested again and the issue seems to have been fixed. Explosions are now happening where they should. Nice work.

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