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Schwalbe:
*CHEW* *CHEEEEW*
WELCOME ABOARD THE SARCASM TRAIN! Dear Passangers, please do not fasten your seatbelts - it is always a pleasure to scrap your remains off the floors and ceilings!
--- Quote from: Lanliss on March 04, 2015, 09:04:01 am ---Loadout logic being explained is a bit heavy for new players. Loadouts often involve a meta that involves knowing specific numbers for specific guns by heart. I understand where you are coming from, and trust me I do know that there are some people out there like this. I just do not believe in some of these solutions.
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Ok. Take 2 and 3. Add them. What do you got? You'll tell me that 5 BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE. PROOF IT.
The loadout propositions are based on mathematics - I guess you must be around 12 years old or less if you don't get that "numbers" are not equal to "mathematics". Trust me, I will be an engineer (but first I have to get my bloody degree). BUT OH HEY YOU WILL QUESTION THAT TOO.
--- Quote ---Leave and report? That sounds a little childish. Not to insult you, by any means, but that sounds a lot like running to the parents, when more mature people should be able to figure these problems out on their own.
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You seem not to get the point of this game, aren't you?
TEAM.
WORK.
TEAM is meant to WORK together. Without it EVERYONE is dead. I guess you should know this with your 12-15-15 levels and 250 matches.
OH WAIT.
After 1.3.8 the new levelling system gives you 2-9-10 in like 30 matches.
Still don't get my point?
You can be fucking mature etc. when you are on your own. Play 500 matches - and you will see that sometimes there is no reason to waste your nerves and time on fuckers who don't even care.
If YOU don't get it, welp. My answer is the same as for such people.
Get back to your CS, where teamwork is optional.
--- Quote ---I understand that the reporting option is there for a reason, and some of these players deserve it, but I have seen people refuse loadouts for the reasons I described, simply lacking the knowledge or understanding of the game. This also leads to them not knowing what an explanation means.
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Hmmm, interesting.
So you are telling me, that person whom I tell exactly WHY THE FUCK should he take the most optimal, standard set of tools, even not by citing any maths, and pointing the weaknesses of THEIR MARVELLOUS CHEMSPRAY-EXT-BUFF LOADOUT WITH LOCHNAGAR AMMO (saw this, really, sales OP) they STILL REFUSE to listen.
So it's perfectly my fault, because it is I, that bad trolling bastard, trying to disrupt their perfect 420noscope skillz and way to own glory. It is my fault I SPEAK IN RIDDLES.
I KNOW. I'll switch my accounts name to Riddler.
Because of those great riddles I create of course! Come, here's the one:
YOU LOAD THE LESMOK ROUNDS WHEN ENEMY IS FAR, SO YOU CAN OPEN FIRE WITH GALING EARLIER AND STIR SOME TROUBLE. IT MAKES THE PROJECTILES GO FASTER, LESS DOWNHILL AND FURTHER.
AFTER THE FULL CLIP TO HULL SWITCH TO GREASED - IT'LL MAKE YOUR GUN SHOOT FASTER.
OH AND MORTAR, WAIT FOR THE RED MARKERS - THIS MEANS THE ARMOR IS DOWN, SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO KILL THEM WITH ONE CLIP. MORTAR IS USELESS OTHERWISE.
AND THE MOST "RIDDLE" PART OF WHICH I'M PROUD ARE THOSE CAPITAL LETTERS.
No it's just caps-lock.
BE DAMN YOU.
--- Quote ---A new player that does not know much is not going to know to have lesmok in flamer until the enemy gets close, then switch to burst. Even being told to do this does not help, because they do not clearly understand the why of a loadout. I do not think a lack of knowledge, combined with a refusal to blindly follow the orders of someone who happens to be a higher level than them should get someone reported, nor should it cause you to leave.
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Well if you don't understand, spend, like, 200 hours in matches. It comes with time.
--- Quote --- I personally consider it almost a sin to the holy Sky Whale to let the mouse pass over the exit button. Maybe it is because I have not had many bad experiences, and even my bad experiences were still pretty fun, but I do not see a reason to leave simply because you have the low ground.
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Advice same as above. You just were not unlucky enough.
--- Quote ---I played a game against a clan, though they seemed relatively new. One of them moved over to my ship and did nothing but stand on the bow the entire time. I can see how that would anger some people, but I take it as a challenge. One that I passed by the way, in a 2-5 game. I thought it was an excellent bit of experience to play with a crew of two, without even an AI to help them, and I think sticking it out and ignoring the troll really helped me grow as a player. Maybe it really is just me, but I can deal with a bit of an extra challenge. Also as soon as you rage or leave they get what they want, so just another reason to continue as normal, preferably just ignoring their existence.
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The main difference between the troll and new player is that the troll is interrupting the work aboard and does not even bother himself to think outside of the "I'M THE ONE RIGHTEOUS" box. Willingly or not - he is interrupting, he is disrupting, and getting on nerve. You arguments are totally invalid. And the only one thing I might like in your whole disappointing speech is that one should never leave the match he already started. Leaving from the lobby of 1-1-1 people who surely will not communicate? OF COURSE. Because
I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO THAN GETTING ABSOLUTELY UPSET.
Lanliss:
All righty then, things seem to have gotten interesting. Sarcasm is fun, though I prefer verbal Ironies. As for CS, never played it, no idea what it is like. Have you played it? Is it fun? I prefer my teamwork with a dollop of smartass, so.I.hope they have some better stuff than Your mom jokes. Yeah, I know that, in pretty much every way, I am inexperienced. I have not been unlucky enough to have these horrible experiences, so I cannot believe that it is really that bad. As far as loadout logic, whether you are citing maths or not, if someone is new to the game they might not understand what any of what you say means. As I have said, yes, There are horrible people who do these horrible things you speak of. I did run into a troll, though not quite as evil of one, so I know they exist. I am just saying that they are not nearly as abundant as you all seem to think. Last time I was in game there was maybe 300 people in game, just a few days ago. Assuming pros like you take up the top 10-30% (I do not know how many actual pros there are in comparison to players total) that leaves 70-90% for everyone else. I cannot believe that the majority of those are trolls, nor that even a third of them are. Probably not even a fifth. I am guessing that the trolls represent less than a tenth of the population, which is 27, max(assuming you are discounting the pros). I find it difficult to believe that twenty seven players can ruin the entire game for everyone. Keep in mind, I do know the trolls are there. I am not flat out refusing their existence. I am just saying to consider if someone is really a troll or if they just do not understand. The guy you described, yeah he seems like a troll, but there is really every possibility that he is just dense as hell. Am I defending his actions? No, but I am saying that you should make sure they really are a troll before you report them. Maybe I am just reading it wrong, but a few of the people here seem to just block and report anyone who disagrees with their idea of how to play. I am most likely wrong about that, but that is how the writing came out in my mind. Assuming a lobby of all 1-1-1 will absolutely not communicate is not giving them a chance. You might find a diamond, if you stick out long enough.
To MightyKeb
I did not ignore him at first, I am not a moron. I always try to establish comms with everyone, just to make sure they can hear me, just in case there is an emergency where I do need to talk with them. I know the world does revolve around me, and does not change itself for the sole purpose of giving me a challenge. I did not carry my team in that particular instance, as my teammate was at least on my level, and we both had a great crew (discounting the bow dweller). I also refuse to believe that succeeding in one game alone could lead to elitism, or that I could succumb to elitism. Yes, I realize that sounds like elitism itself, believing I am too good to be bothered by your petty ideas of good and bad, but it is really not.
I have always had a decent idea of myself, and how others view me, so I have some idea of whether or not I am good, as a human being. Sure, I throw some smartass comments around, but for the most part I am a decent person. Also, my skin is unbreakable, so do not bother apologizing for something to me. I have never felt insulted on the internet, though many have tried, and I doubt anyone in this community could be cruel enough to come up with an insult that would crack through my impenetrable shell of laughter and jokes. Everyone on these forums is too nice to break me. Even Schwalbe, though I do feel he could have come up with a better name than sarcasm train. Maybe the Flying Sarcasm, setting sail for the port of Fuck You. Liked the stuff after that though, so my idea could not really be applied. As you were then.
I tried to get them all, but there might be a few spots where there is a period, when there should be a space. Ignore that.
BlackenedPies:
I haven't run into an uncooperative player who refused to leave in quite a while now, at least a month. They're most prevalent during sales, of which under 10% are uncooperative, probably closer to 5%. It's a small but noticeable minority.
To be clear, I don't have any problem with players who refuse loadouts, I have problems with them refusing and refusing to leave. Many don't communicate at all when refusing a loadout. I try to be clear in both text and voice chat but never receive an answer. The only choices left are play with the player or leave.
I don't think it's a lack of understanding because if you're new to a game and an experienced player tries to teach you something you don't ignore them. I think it's solely an attitude problem. Most players are cooperative and fun to play with.
MightyKeb:
--- Quote from: Lanliss on March 04, 2015, 12:47:01 pm ---
To MightyKeb
I did not ignore him at first, I am not a moron. I always try to establish comms with everyone, just to make sure they can hear me, just in case there is an emergency where I do need to talk with them. I know the world does revolve around me, and does not change itself for the sole purpose of giving me a challenge. I did not carry my team in that particular instance, as my teammate was at least on my level, and we both had a great crew (discounting the bow dweller). I also refuse to believe that succeeding in one game alone could lead to elitism, or that I could succumb to elitism. Yes, I realize that sounds like elitism itself, believing I am too good to be bothered by your petty ideas of good and bad, but it is really not.
I have always had a decent idea of myself, and how others view me, so I have some idea of whether or not I am good, as a human being. Sure, I throw some smartass comments around, but for the most part I am a decent person. Also, my skin is unbreakable, so do not bother apologizing for something to me. I have never felt insulted on the internet, though many have tried, and I doubt anyone in this community could be cruel enough to come up with an insult that would crack through my impenetrable shell of laughter and jokes. Everyone on these forums is too nice to break me. Even Schwalbe, though I do feel he could have come up with a better name than sarcasm train. Maybe the Flying Sarcasm, setting sail for the port of Fuck You. Liked the stuff after that though, so my idea could not really be applied. As you were then.
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Now that's a gigantic paradox technically, but I'll take your word for it. Still, even though you've defended yourself from my arguments by justifying them and almost finding a common ground, you havent touched why exactly leaving and reporting is, in your words I quote, "childish" and what instead is your solution? Perhaps the community'll find your established method superior, and that is assuming you have one in question.
Schwalbe:
--- Quote from: Lanliss on March 04, 2015, 12:47:01 pm ---Maybe the Flying Sarcasm
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Definitely not - Flying is reserved for the Fuck I Don't Give, Which is Not a Junker Nor Bird.
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