Oh long before Ryders it was a thing. I'd see it every sale. People would throw on dual flaks on the front. They'd get kills eventually if their ally had armor strip but man, some of them would get so violent when you'd try to tell them they need armor strip. Course that was back when the LF had no arming and Pyra's ramming actually did damage. They'd go, "its so OP!" and I'd go, "Its not OP, your enemies are just idiots!"