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Communists in GOIO
Schwalbe:
--- Quote from: HamsterIV on February 12, 2015, 06:57:16 pm ---@Schwalbe
Did you just play the German card? (it is like the race card if you are black)
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First of all - I'm not german. German nickname origins from that I like how this sounds.
I might've overreacted, aye. But it's forbidden to use symbols of swastika and hammer&sickle in many countries. And Crafeksterty, please, I have never seen anyone who used swastika in game not to say anything like "Heil Hitler" or any shit like that after that. About communism? Shut up. Odi Profanum Vulgus.
How the fucking hell you think communism wanted to take over the world, spread their bloody love for workship and brotherhood? By means of goddamn revolution. What do you think is revolution, some fucking flowers picking or discussing with tea?
Nazism might be simplified to wiping out not perfect races, but communism in the version of USSR should be then simplified to wiping out anyone else who is not a worker. Communists would kill your "highly educated" (highly educated my ass) asses for the glory of worker class.
Japaneese camps were horrible, this must to be agreed with. But you propably have not seen anybody who survived mining the ore in Ural Mountains with his bare hands only. Not, not just grabbing the ore. They had no pickaxes nor anything to mine - bare hands only. Volunteers... Oh yeah, right. What else? Brothels? Blackjack and hookers?
Somebody may play a card of brainwashed propaganda... pfffft. I always explore new knowledge by myself. I don't give a damn about martyrology, or anything connected with this twisted, perverted way of romantic thinking (by romantic I mean the period of culture) - only facts.
Facts are, that in fact Nazism in cold numbers, in psychological and economical analysis was far less harming than communism. Nazism was wiped out, communism survived and tormented people for next 50 years.
Gillder: As for the Stalin - Hitler "relationship".
Stalin's alliance with Adolf was in fact fucking the third reich up. The agreement was: 3rd Reich gives technology, in exchange for resources. Which never happened. Because it was never to happen. Stalin was planning from the very beginning to use Nazi Germany to empower his military forces, so he could conquer whole Europe and spread communism all around it. He was preparing his enormous forces for assault in september 1941, but Hitler was faster and launched his assault on USSR, destroying all the offensive forces gathered near border - that's why communists were forced to move back, they did not think about defences, only about assault, and their forces were destroyed soon after the beginning of the assault. That's the other story though.
Gilder, btw - have my salute.
Hoja Lateralus:
--- Quote from: c-ponter on February 12, 2015, 07:01:16 pm ---Mr disaster while I agree that those events were horrific and should be treated as such, by that theory Christianity should be illegal due to the crusades, Muslims should be punished for their countless Jihads over the years, Egyptians should be persecuted for their enslavement of the Jews ect... Though none of these events are justifiable in any way shape or form in my opinion there is no point dwelling on what a symbol or ideology was used to represent by one or several prominent members, as a general rule every ideology would work in theory but none of them can in reality, there will always be people who use and exploit religion or politics to justify their actions, but does that really mean all religion and politics should be outlawed?
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I love how you compare religion if totalitarian regime, it makes my heart warm. On the other hand I have to agree that it 'is' not bad argument.
The less we, players, shove up our political and religious beliefs during the game, the better - so during a game I don't want to see neither swastika nor christian cross.
But I think time plays a huge role in this. That's why americans can joke about Titanic but not about 9/11. For my countrymen all communism-related history is very recent, Poland up untill 1989 was ruled by puppet communist government and we still have some "fallout" from those events.
c-ponter:
--- Quote from: DJ Logicalia on February 12, 2015, 07:12:13 pm ---Ponter, I liked you. Please don't defend the Nazis. I get wanting to play devil's advocate, but the Nazis in WWII Era did a bunch of terrible things and Nazis today are awful people. They're less genocidal now and more white supremacist, and all terrible and need no defense. Please can we stop with this nonsense.
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as I said, I do not feel I am defending them, just haveing discussion about their beliefs.
Though I can see that I have caused some upset and apologize for this, so I will no longer comment on this as I feel many are taking it in a way I did not intend to come across as me defending the actions that these ideals have caused.
(Also its 1:30am and I am tired but do not want people to think I'm running away if I stop replying)
Schwalbe:
And now my turn.
I apologize.
For being hot-headed, oversensitive fuck. Which is empowered both by my knowledge and because I live in a nation that still a bit unknowingly suffer from those regimes.
Still, c-ponter. Before you start discussing beliefs etc, try checking both sides. That's why I own Mein Kampf and Manifesto of Polish United Worker Party. Less people will want your head on the silver plate.
Typhi:
Not going to report anyone for this.
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