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Communists in GOIO
c-ponter:
--- Quote from: Schwalbe on February 12, 2015, 07:34:18 pm ---I
Still, c-ponter. Before you start discussing beliefs etc, try checking both sides. That's why I own Mein Kampf and Manifesto of Polish United Worker Party. Less people will want your head on the silver plate.
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I felt I had, which is why I was willing to put my opinion forward, having read Mein Kampf and many of Stalin's speeches, maybe I have written it off too much towards their personal interests and been slightly too accepting towards the political ideals themselves.
But yes, I will tread more carefully in future, especially about issues as sensitive as this
Richard LeMoon:
I think the line is drawn between the swastika and the hammer/sickle is not what they stood for, but how they are perceived and used today. Anyone tattooing a swastika on their arm is seen as saying "I hate Jews." Someone tattooing a hammer/sickle on their arm is seen as saying "Russia is cool." The one is used to intentionally offend people. The other is used because it is 'cool'. A lot like the Confederate flag in the USA (though it could be argued that that is used to offend more than the hammer/sickle).
Schwalbe:
Well. Some people learn the hard way. It's not your fault, everyone must burn first before learning that.
I usually avoid shit like that, when in game - I block people trying to spread some belief bullcrap unless I know it's self-distant mocking or anything like that. I report people who use any regime symbols, because I believe they should not be used - they should be forgotten. And after years of being forgotten, their meaning, their connection being lost forever - then yeah, why not. But only then.
I don't mind talking with people about their beliefs, as long as they don't deny, close their eyes blindly, justify or lessen the atrocities of crazy people, covering the abittoir with them. As long as this is civilized discussion I'm okay with that. But when somebody try to impose me anything - he's a dead man.
Goddammit. Psychological tests claim that I have IQ of 180+ and I keep making a dumb bastard of myself at any bloody reason.
It's nothing good to be insane, brought up to live in insane surrounding of people not even aware how insane they are.
I'm sorry. I'm a bit down with... anything. And tired.
Richard LeMoon - interesting point of view. Look up the Gilder's and the ending of the latter butthurt post of mine, where I explain something more. That's interesting topic. But it's sad, that it's considered "cool"...
BlackenedPies:
Hammer stands for workers and sickle for peasants, unified against the oppression observed in Russia.
It has since been associated with "Marxism-Leninism" which was coined by Stalin and later spread to other regimes (China, North Korea, Cuba).
Many communists argue that Marxism-Leninism is neither Marxism or Leninism, but state capitalism in the form of a dictatorship that was used to justify Stalin's ideology.
Richard LeMoon:
I beg to differ on it being 'sad'. It ties in with what you are saying about forgetting what a symbol used to mean. If people are using something for no other reason than it is 'cool', with no ties to the political/religious/evil/whatever thing it used to stand for, then it is well on its way to becoming something else. That is progress.
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