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Communists in GOIO
Hoja Lateralus:
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--- Quote from: Queso on February 12, 2015, 06:06:25 pm ---The symbol stood for Nazism, an ideology explicitly involving eugenics and murder.
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Any chance you c ould link /give me the name of a source or 2 claiming this?
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It's in it's core - nazism assumes that germanic people are "master race" and is superior to all the other races and needs "space to live". This of course means that rest of the races must either die out or simply be killed (if in the way of "master" race). There were also special "troops" of aryan men who were given orders to make sex to aryan women (opinion of the soldiers or women didn't matter because, hey - greater good, eh?).
--- Quote from: c-ponter on February 12, 2015, 06:44:29 pm ---At no point did I say all were volunteers, just a larger percentage than people realized.
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I'd like to see your source claiming this
--- Quote from: Crafeksterty on February 12, 2015, 06:49:29 pm ---I cant belive people dont notice this.
The swastika that of nazis is crooked. While swastikas that of ancient times or positive uses of today arent. I havent seen any swastikas that are crooked and meant for good while crooked swastikas was always coming from the nazi flag.
Think of it in a way of reversing the christian cross as a way to showcase a polar opposite of its meaning. you know, antichrist.
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Well on a Reich flag it's crooked but was also used not-crooked. And Hitler didn't use it to oppose it, contrary. Hitler copied many other symbols for happiness or power, for example Roman Salute.
Patched Wizard:
An image can transcend it's own nature and become a symbol only when we or society give it the means to do so. A symbol will only ever have as much influence and power as we allow it. Our reactions to symbols has less to do with the symbols themselves and more to do with ourselves and the areas in which we allow or deny offence.
Even the Swastika has the potential to be stripped of its power and rendered meaningless by society. The question is though: should we?
But since we've already passed the point of Godwin's Law I think we should all just move on.
DJ Logicalia:
Ponter, I liked you. Please don't defend the Nazis. I get wanting to play devil's advocate, but the Nazis in WWII Era did a bunch of terrible things and Nazis today are awful people. They're less genocidal now and more white supremacist, and all terrible and need no defense. Please can we stop with this nonsense.
Squidslinger Gilder:
Well either way its pretty obvious it doesn't work. You can't really call China a heavy communist nation anymore. Theres just still some staunch commies in charge but power is shifting. Think in our lifetime we'll see China completely change back to more traditional rule.
South America would be the next area but they are collapsing. We don't hear about it in US media but they are. Multiple countries have been ran into the ground by communist or socialist governments. Heck one of their dictators was recently on a world tour trying to get people to buy their oil or at least give them money. It is their own fault tho. They literally chased out all business and forced it all under the government. Then when the market shifts, the system can't and it collapses. Now there is talk he can't even return cause they'll kill him if he sets foot back in the nation. All power in the hands of the gov is never a good deal.
Soviet symbols and logos get a bit more lax treatment because frankly, no one cared if Stalin was butchering his own people. He was fighting Hilter, even though he was allied with Hitler first. But the fact they fought the Nazis is all that mattered in the end. Media has also portrayed communists in more of a comical fashion which lessens opinions. "In soviet russia, car drives you!"
Nazis were more in your face and are the perfect villains for mass media since they were openly committing genocide. But frankly Disaster has a valid point. The Soviets were a brutal regime. Millions were killed or oppressed. People who lived through those times or lost loved ones will be offended by soviet imagery. And they should be. I've talked with some who lived under it and fled to the US. They are good concerned people who don't want to see this nation following similar paths. Heck they love this land more than natives and they can't stand these types of symbols and feel just as strongly about them as Jews feel about swastikas.
c-ponter:
I cannot give a source now as I am on mobile but will post one here or pm you whichever you prefer once I have access to a computer.As for the Aaryan master race that part of Nazism is...flawed to say the least, if not downright stupid though they did not actually persecute everyone who did not fit their master race ideal, they were just kind of ignored for the most part, but I don't doubt Hitler would have 'solved that problem' as he saw it after he had won the war, if he had done so.
Though the part about women being forced to reproduce with men is not entirely true, they were strongly encouraged but not forced, though admittedly there probably were many that felt forced to do so.(I can provide a source to that as well if you like)
but for the record I would like to clarify that most of what Hitler did was not Nazi, it was his own personal belief (look to Mein Kampf, before Hitler gained control of the Nazi party they weren't nearly as extreme) and I do not agree with what he did at all.
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