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ShadedExalt:
I REALLY like the CA kick idea. The trolls, if given kickvote, would abuse it to hell and back. People who aren't as reasonable would use it to kick noobs, even if they genuinely wanted or were willing to learn.
Squidslinger Gilder:
Livin in a dream world Ceres. Reality is the trolls do far more damage to new players than ever. They don't know to report or block. They don't know to find a CA. Which won't do them any good anyways as CAs can only warn and report people. I was originally doubtful about kicking as a solution but over a year in this game it became painfully clear that the community does nothing. It only takes 1 match to completely ruin a person on GOIO forever. There were people I befriended awhile back, they had 1 match with a troll on their boat. Never saw them again after that.
There is never some heroic rise of the community to punish a troll. If you want to punish them, either you do it yourself, or find someone like me who isn't afraid to chase them from room to room with a munker and mine them till they rage quit. That is the only justice there is in this game. Which is of course frowned upon by Muse because the troll can report us for that behavior. Hell back in the early days I had a crew of kids report me for flying my own ship. I joined while one of their group had disconnected and they started dancing around the pilot station instead of just saying their pal would be back. I reported them and screenshotted it. They in turn reported me. Muse messaged me regarding their complaints, not mine. I brought up the proof, but they still partially sided with the brats.
Muse is living in a dream world too on this issue. One of these days, they'll be forced into a corner and have to implement it. Its coming. The more popular something becomes, the more complaints arise. Muse can't just keep putting bandaids on it by giving away games or free costumes forever to players. Pretty soon that will be exploited if it hasn't already been. Heck as this game goes more towards Adventure Mode's pseudo MMO setup, this will be a necessity. I can't think of any MMO that doesn't have kick features for parties/groups.
Kick voting greatly returns the power to the players. Sure trolls in groups would abuse it but those would be isolated cases. The rest of us it gives them an option to deal with these people instead of having to endure them. For the bad cases, just put cooldowns on kick features. Its a simple concept that MMOs have been using for years to prevent trolls from abusing. Muse shouldn't be having to micromanage all the complaints that could be handled by a kick system. Heck the fact that they still do right now is shocking. That is needless time wasted on problems that can be easily solved with a simple feature addition. As the game grows, this is going to have to change.
Indreams:
I kinda like that Muse has an ideology and they stick to it.
GOIO is different from many other games because of its community and communication. I don't think kick-vote is a step in the right direction.
And from my experience, there are very few real trolls in GOIO. Those that you think are trolls often turn out to be new players getting hang of communicative gaming, repair cool downs, or just trying out a creative/weird builds.
I think GOIO needs to make clear that this is not just a steampunk airship game, but also a game about intense cooperation and teamwork with strangers (an important life skill).
I got more I want to say, but I can't put them into correct words. So I hope I sorta got the main point across.
1.) Kick-vote is not a plus to the community. At best, its a bitter medicine to cure a cold.
2.) Trolls are misunderstood creatures. (at least in the skies of GOIO)
3.) GOIO needs to be obvious to new players that it is a game about communication, cooperation, and teamwork thats probably more proper for the more mature gamers.
Schwalbe:
--- Quote from: Indreams on December 29, 2014, 02:56:37 am ---GOIO is different from many other games because of its community and communication. I don't think kick-vote is a step in the right direction.
I think GOIO needs to make clear that this is not just a steampunk airship game, but also a game about intense cooperation and teamwork with strangers (an important life skill).
1.) Kick-vote is not a plus to the community. At best, its a bitter medicine to cure a cold.
--- End quote ---
Agreed.
--- Quote ---2.) Trolls are misunderstood creatures. (at least in the skies of GOIO)
--- End quote ---
Disagreed. They are assholes or douchebags thinking it's another bloody Call Of Duty.
--- Quote ---3.) GOIO needs to be obvious to new players that it is a game about communication, cooperation, and teamwork thats probably more proper for the more mature gamers.
--- End quote ---
Yeah sure. I wonder HOW would you do so. If people don't even tend to read, ha, they don't even dare to THINK...
Arturo Sanchez:
Nothing teaches better than a good schooling.
Adding to the ever increasing AI clan mantras.
"Players want to learn to get better. Noobs only want to win."
And gilder... you're misunderstanding what I mean. Policing a community doesn't always have to be some immature 4chan raid on the troll.
It is simply the tolerance of the community of certain types of behaviour. They can be jerks as much as they want, but guess what? That's not gonna get you any friends to play with, any teammates you can trust nor any vets that will help you.
You'll just be stuck with the company that you're stuck with, other douchebags that you can only play with as no one else will willingly tolerate you.
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