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Spire Changes?
Crafeksterty:
Ive seen less squids than spire in competetive, and i use spire almost always competetively.
I do not think it is weakest competetively.
Dutch Vanya:
I still don't believe the spire is as bad in competitive goi as some say. Remember the goldfish was considered too weak, and now without changing anything it has become a lot more common.
Captain Smollett:
I never said the Spire was weak, I just said it's the weakest.
And for the record I was never one of those who stated the goldfish was weak. There was never anything wrong with the Goldfish other than it is hard countered by some ships and team compositions and those builds happened to have been at one point the meta of the moment. Now that the meta has shifted the Goldfish is being recognized as valuable again.
The squid is often not taken into competition because it represents so much risk. Positioning, flight, gunner accuracy and engineering need to be near perfect for a squid to be competitive and for most teams that's just too difficult to rely on doing consistently or even at all and so they prefer to run ships that have greater margins of error.
If the Spire were to receive more armor, that balance would shift and further open up the range of ships being used.
Dutch Vanya:
--- Quote from: Captain Smollett on July 06, 2014, 03:09:19 pm ---I never said the Spire was weak, I just said it's the weakest.
And for the record I was never one of those who stated the goldfish was weak. There was never anything wrong with the Goldfish other than it is hard countered by some ships and team compositions and those builds happened to have been at one point the meta of the moment. Now that the meta has shifted the Goldfish is being recognized as valuable again.
The squid is often not taken into competition because it represents so much risk. Positioning, flight, gunner accuracy and engineering need to be near perfect for a squid to be competitive and for most teams that's just too difficult to rely on doing consistently or even at all and so they prefer to run ships that have greater margins of error.
If the Spire were to receive more armor, that balance would shift and further open up the range of ships being used.
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What has shifted in the meta that made the goldfish more common? Less artemis spam? Or was it just something people were scared to try but could have worked all along. And shouldn't we expect near perfect engineering from competitive? They always say this is "the highest level of play."
DMaximus:
--- Quote from: Dutch Vanya on July 06, 2014, 04:18:53 pm ---
What has shifted in the meta that made the goldfish more common? Less artemis spam? Or was it just something people were scared to try but could have worked all along. And shouldn't we expect near perfect engineering from competitive? They always say this is "the highest level of play."
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Less artemis spam for sure. The triple-art junker was a death sentence for anything with a heavy gun due to the long rebuild time. Even with perfect engineering there's nothing you can do about the constant time it takes to rebuild a heavy, especially when it's very likely to immediately be shot out again.
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