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Dementio:
Special ammunition coming in! Warning: Ammo types might require special coding effort.

Speedster: Reload X% faster, but sacrifice the second damage type?

Sticky ammo: Projectiles stick on enemy ship (maybe even terrain) and explodes either when told or when reload or when max number of projectiles is reached (example: mines). Mines have an extra field next to the number of "bullets" in your gun, this same field could be used for this ammo type too.
And either
- 1 damage type gets done on impact, 2 damage type gets done on explosion/release or whatever.
- No damage gets done, full damage on explosion/release or whatever on whereever the projectile is located (just saying because direct damage. Second damage type behaves like normal).
The latter might be troublesome since projectiles do not always hit the same thing as you believe they do.
Might be op if combined with mines.

Curly McSpiral: Removes recoil like heavy clip, instead of flying straight the projectile path is a spiral. Maybe removes arcs.
Could use some tuning in what else it does and how big the spiral radius is and if it gets larger over time/distance.

Spacial ammo: Projectiles never actually leave your barrel, but appear at Xm away from your barrel/gun, as if your guns is over there and you are shooting from over there, thus (e.g.) spread only starts over Xm away and the range begins there as well as arming time.
Would enable you to shoot through terrain/cover (no escape!). Might behave weirdly with the harpoon.
Or maybe just make it so that it shoots through the 1 object it hits? Even through ships. But only through 1 thing and then goes back to hitting stuff.

Slow-mo ammo: Reduced or no arming time. Projectile speed is reduced... MUCH! Range stays the same and arc/drop behave as if the projectile was shot with default rounds. It is just slow. Reeaallyy slow.
Might require weird coding.

Joking A Rounds: After every load the gun behaves like a random other in the same weight class. It of course inherits every stat that the chosen gun has as default (range, projectile speed, spread, damage types...).
Example: Light Carronda gets loaded with said ammo -> Suddenly shoots flak shots.
Example: Lumerjack is now Hwacha.
Might reduce ammo to a specific amount so gatling can't shoot 80 mortar/mine shots or 20 Heavy Carronade shots.
Might remove certain 1 shot per clip guns (Mine and Harpoon).

Twice the ammo: Doubles the ammount of ammo a gun can have, but triples the reload or whatever else the negative side should be.
Example: Harpoon 1 ship, harpoon a second one or harpoon it again INSTANTLY!

Trick shot: Projectiles look different? I dunno, I just wanted to write down the name, before somebody else does!
Maybe throw some cake in the enemies faces so they can't see anything?

Suprise!: Projectile is now a punching glove and does impact damage along with the direct damage of current gun. Only 1 shot. Range is 10m or something else that's really short, but not so short that nobody can hit with it.
Impact damage only to push the enemy away. May not even have to damage enemy reliably.

Reverser: Instead of dropping, projectiles now fly upwards or in the calse of flamethrower: Downwards. May even turn gun arcs upside down.
As a potentional special effect: Let the gunner see the world upside down while on gun that has this ammo loaded.

Placeholder: It will not fully reload the gun, it stops the reload at ~99%. This allows gunners to leave the gun and load their special ammo in it when required. Like burst or heavy for hwacha in case you don't know which will be more useful before you don't even see the enemy. Will load the select ammo once "R" is pressed (again).
If the same ammo is select and "R" is pressed then either don't load anything or just load default ammo.
The price would be that you give up 1 full slot in order to use the other 2 more effiecently.



For reload changing ammo (if it happens) I propose the following mechanic:
The ammunition will first be loading in normally and then only the next one reload will gain the reload effect from the just used ammunition. Might be abusable by reloading again immidiately (for whatever reason you want to do that).



Also, yes, engineers have 2 ammo types because of default ammo. Gunners don't have them loaded in every so they don't count as ammo for gunners. It has been addressed before in its own thread.

Maybe instead of removing default ammo there could be a new engineering tool that is close to useless for the engineer, but might serve as a second tool for the gunner, any maybe even pilot?

Crafeksterty:
Here is my brainstorm of current ammo and maybe some new ammo.




Old ammo Type


There are some ammo type that needs love, but there has to be a use for them individualy.
The reason why i want some of these ammo types to enhance is because Ammo like heavy clip serve a defined purpose. So enhancing their purpose could make the gunner have great form of control on the enemy ship


Greased Rate of Fire up to 80%, Damage down to -35%
Lets make greased fire faster, and nerfing the buff hammer use on greased weapons [Would work well with Charged change]

Incindiary needs 10%-20% extra chance on giving fire. BUT give it precentage damage to the gun that uses it. 95% damage to the gun thruout the clip.
This is to enhance fire use thruout every weapon, but punishes it for useing it, so that guns that work well with the ammo arent as powerfull.
With this, a gattling gun can be as good as a flamethrower. Along with banshee being super devestating with its aoe. This should then in the end make fire happy people more viable in the use of fire. Simply having the ammo type may cause some chaos for the next reload. So it isnt an ammo type one wants to use constantly, but rather for the moment to cause a bit of chaos. Hwacha would be the best example as a gun that would switch out to this and cause some form of chaos before switching out to something for the kill.

Charged can balance out its bons and cons with 50% damage, instead of 30%. But -50% rate of fire, instead of 20%. 50% damage thru out the clip
[This change would work well with greased change] Again, in my case, it is all about choosing the correct ammo for the right moment. This ammo type is not for every time use, but rather for the correct time. This is also a huge bait for buff engineers to enhance the Damage % to 70, so that most engineers will get Charged ammo type. The rate of fire i could see being a huge detriment to the actual shooting of the gun. But is a nice balance versus buff engineers, and rewards them for actualy hitting. This also balances out being a better choice than greased/Heatsink in terms of damage. Its just the DPS that may be smaller. But the clip damage is bigger.

Heatsink Give it 25%-75% maximum health to the gun that has heatsink
This way, we can be sure that a heatsink weapon is a weapon harder to disable. It is noticed by the chem spray glow. Along with the core nature of heatsink is to protect the gun.



New Ammo type

We want new ammo that really changes up a weapon in such a way that you want the new ammo type and some other ammo type.
Most of this is very hard due to default ammo type being present. Here is my suggestions as new ammo type.

Barricade Turn the gun into a shield. The icon is a shield with a bullet over it. 1 shot. 200% more gun health. -100% rotation speed
[This works well with the heatsink change] This is a good tool for some ships. Changing the gun into a damage soaking craze some ships would love to have. A galleon may protect his right side by giving those 2 heavy guns barricade ammo type. A pyramidion may give his side guns barricade. A spire may give all of its guns barricade for maximum protection. A goldfish can have this loaded before it reloads into a different ammo type. This in turn with heatsink will be for an unexpected effect because it does not have a chemspray glow. However, it only acts as a barricade and one shot isnt alot at all.

Dragon ash / Rubber gluv Remeber the Dev ap ammo?
This will not work well with my Charge change (Maybe if you make this more powerfull)
The concept of these 2 tools types were the best. These 2 tools were about increasing either the primary or secondary damage types. So for each tool, you would want them to do MORE damage than what charge can do. So, if charged allready does 50% damage as of my suggestion, then dragon ash, or rubber gluv have to 1 up charged with 70% more damage to its priority (Primary or secondary) But -30% damage on its other damage type.
As of now, charge gives 30% more damage on both damage types, dragon ash and rubber gluv would then give 50% more damage, but -30% less other damage type... damage. Bring back this ammo type! It was great! it just needed to one up charged.



Mechanic suggestion
Instead of a gun being auto reloaded into default ammo, it would be nice that the ammo instead waits for player to jump in with an input.
Jumping on a gun for the last microsecond is very... very weird and makes for situations where i put in the ammo just in time but it reloads again anyway.
Just a suggestion.










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So much this.

Why did noone say that before? o.O
Why did I not say that before, thinking about it today?
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Maybe because no one... listens...  https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,3576.msg62802.html#msg62802

macmacnick:
Depth charge ammunition. Makes projectile weapons' shells sink more quickly, or in the case of mines, sink downwards once deployed. (Richard + geo's idea.)

Saull:
What do you guys think of an gunner tool that increases weapon turning arcs in exchange for increased firing spread? New weapon combinations would come into play that otherwise wouldn't be possible or were too difficult to reliably maintain. Close range strafing options would benefit most as the increased spread wouldn't interfere too much with gats, mortars, carronades, ect once up close but using the tool to try and get an extra merc or other snipers to line up with each other would be hit harder by unreliable spread getting in the way of long range precision.

 I would think that this would be better for gunners and not a "safe" ammo for engies as it's use is potentially redundant. The ammo benefits most weapons that already have mostly good overlapping arcs and would better serve as a reactionary ammo type. Say if a ship has a damaged engine and can't turn fast enough to maintain its normal arcs. A gunner with this in their pocket would be able to continue performing in a situation where they normally couldn't. Same goes for awkward angle of approach.

My main concerns  is that messing with turning arcs could really mess with ship/gun balance, creating problems where there used to not be problems

Omniraptor:
I'd also like to add my voice to those who want the engineer to lose an ammo type- so engineers will have a choice of 1 ammo type and gunners will have a choice of 3, instead of choosing between 2 for the engi and 4 for the gunner like it is now.

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