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1.3.3 GUNS AND GUNNER SKILL BALANCE
The Djinn:
--- Quote from: Kain Phalanx on January 06, 2014, 01:46:36 pm ---Because not all gunners are good gunners. Being able to calculate range from experience and checking ship movement before firing is what makes you a good gunner. The advantage of being a good gunner is that you're a good gunner. You shouldn't be forced to become a good gunner just to be effective. Raising the minimum skill bar isn't beneficial in a game like this where new people are confused enough as is and many who have played for a while still have much to learn. There is plenty of room for mastery to be worried about raising the skill minimum.
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If being a good gunner shouldn't be necessary to make you effective, then we should probably just remove the high skilled long range weapons like the Hades, Lumberjack, and H. Flak.
I'd also suggest that if you're using a shot as a range-finder at 1200+ ranges with the H. Flak you're not using it correctly. At those range you can actually get off most of a reload before the first shot hits, meaning that you should have already fired both before you know whether or not a shot landed.
Additionally, I think more skill is added to the sniping game if gunners only have a single powerful shot that will nearly kill a ship (enabling skilled pilots to dodge incoming shots if they're on the ball) rather than two potential kill shots at 1200m+.
Kain Phalanx:
No, I'm fine with leaving the high-skill options there. The problem is the heavy flak doesn't really belong on that list. It's only recently that's it's been seen as an extreme range only weapon. Even more puzzling is that people are calling it a niche weapon. What? It's singular purpose is to destroy the enemy ship and it's the sole best gun at doing that. How is that niche? But that's beside the point.
Of course the first shot isn't intended as a rangefinder, but if you miss, that's what it is. Firing both shots before the first hits is a good way to miss both shots and my gunning improved when I stopped doing it, since as has been said, even one shot can be lethal. That was a long time ago though, and the projectile seems slower than ever. Its ballistics are worse than the light flak, wtf?
Lesmok isn't a single powerful shot, that's Lochnager. Lesmok makes the shell even faster so no, less dodging. You're confused. And it seems I have to state yet again, that both shots don't need to be able nearly kill a ship.
Captain Smollett:
I rather like HF being a high skilled weapon,
If using a gunner on a HF, I feel most good gunners can hit a high % with charged at around 1100 M and below. Beyond that Lesmok begins to make a lot of sense and is still a good ammunition for the gun. Requiring 2 clips to make a 1500 Meter + kill is reasonable in my opinion.
Lesmok used to be a crutch before the change. Everyone used it as the sole ammunition for the gun because it made it so easy to shoot. Admittedly the HF is more difficult to use now because of the change, but it also has more damage per shot than it's ever had. It's now a high skill high reward gun and I find it more fun than ever to use. It just takes some experience to figure out now.
Sammy B. T.:
A powerful long range gun should have a high skill level required.
Kain Phalanx:
As you mentioned, using Lesmok as sole type isn't so great any more with the arming time change. People still used charged and heat sink when they got closer anyways, now we're just being forced to do it.
If you want high skill, high reward, you can use Lochnager. Lesmok's purpose is to make long range shooting easier and it doesn't necessarily any more. Part of being a good gunner in a game like this is loading appropriate ammo in appropriate situations. It's not like a statless twitch shooter.
I haven't argued that HF shouldn't be a high skill weapon. I've argued that it should be lower. Compared to shooting in other games it's already more difficult.
I also resent that we've moved to discussing in such vague terms. I'm very specifically arguing that I want two shots with Lesmok, and this is just obfuscating.
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