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N-Sunderland:
--- Quote ---7*1,5=11,5
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You mean 7*1.5=10.5 (so as Smollett said, almost 11 metres).
Echoez:
--- Quote from: Captain Smollett on October 03, 2013, 10:23:05 pm ---7 Meter (23 foot) AOE fact. Hitting a shot within 7 meters will damage a heavy gun, it takes 5 rockets to destroy a heavy weapon and a hwacha with heavy clip has 15 shots.
I understand that this is an emotional topic but at the end of the day this is an issue with the accuracy of the shooter not the aoe of the weapon. The galleon's weapons are indeed closer than 7 meters apart and it's likely the shooter shot to the side of a weapon rather than directly between them. The trigger need not be held down for long range shots and hitting out the guns of a galleon shouldn't be as simple as hitting the broadside of a barn. Aiming should be required.
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Hitting the side of the gun should still net a disable on both heavy guns, if the radius is indeed 7 meters, there is no way one heavy gun is wider than 7 meters not do the two heavy guns have more of a meter distance between them, which is why I don't realy see this 7 meter radius you speak of.
I'm not asking for an increase in AoE per se, I am asking that this weapon be made more reliable so I don't end up wasting 14 seconds of reload for almost nothing in return, I think that's a reasonable argument. The risk to use this weapon is currently too high with not much in return in most cases unless you're a monster with it OR you're face-hugging them and using Burst.
My main question was, why should I risk bringing this on a Goldfish when it's my only main gun and it has a severe 14 seconds cooldown and is not realy THAT reliable, cause as far as I know, unless you're damn good with the gun, long range shots are impossible, not only do I have to except my gunner to hit, but to hit correctly as well. That's my concern, why me as a pilot, should take this gun over anything else more reliable?
And my suggestion was mainly giving back some spread to Heavy Clip, despite the fact that I think the gun has problems of its own. If Heavy wasn't dead accurate and only gave an 85% spread reduction, it would make the gun a bit more reliable at range. Second suggestion was to decrease the over all spread of the gun a bit so the effective range of Burst rounds is increased and to be honest, I don't realy mind this, but I generaly believe that the more guns that don't completely rely on Heavy for anything other than face-hugging situations (150-100 meters), the better the game becomes.
Also just as a reminder, I don't want to buff the Hwacha, just make it more reliable to use so I don't get those flip-flop shots that Imagine talked about in an earlier post, some shots net amazing disables, while others that are still spot on, do absolutely nothing or only disable 1 or 2 things at most (and before you assume that most parts were destroyed, that was not the case)
Spud Nick:
I find it strange that this gun needs heavy clip ammo in order for it to hit at long range. I can't think of any other long range gun that needs to use one type of ammo for it to be effective at range.
RearAdmiralZill:
I think it's because the hwacha wasn't really designed to do so in the first place. If heavy clip gave you 100% efficiency out of the gun at the range it lets you hit, id say that was OP.
No offence to you Echo, but this is why I find it hard to sympathize with hwacha changes to make it better at range. I don't think it should be any more effective than it is now when using heavy to hit at ranges any other ammo type simply would fail to allow.
Echoez:
--- Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on October 04, 2013, 09:51:05 am ---I think it's because the hwacha wasn't really designed to do so in the first place. If heavy clip gave you 100% efficiency out of the gun at the range it lets you hit, id say that was OP.
No offence to you Echo, but this is why I find it hard to sympathize with hwacha changes to make it better at range. I don't think it should be any more effective than it is now when using heavy to hit at ranges any other ammo type simply would fail to allow.
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The thing is, Heavy's puspose is just that, making an inaccurate weapon effective at range and it works exactly like this for any other gun that utilizes except the Hwacha. Carronades don't care about spread, Gatling doesn't care either, these are guns that target single components per shot, the Hwacha is probably the only one that gets a double downside from Heavy clip from both losing 5 rockets and having absolutely no spread to its shots to hit more components per volley withouth taking a year to empy the clip by burst firing.
Heavy Clip is a double edged sword for the Hwacha while while not having the same apply for other guns that utilize it is where I'm getting at. I personaly believe it shouldn't be like this, hence why I want some spread back, I don't get why it's so hard to agree with something like this, it's clear, obvious and the only counter argument anyone has managed to come up so far is that it's a matter of my or anyone's gunner being bad, which is very undermining to the person that actually fired and gun and actully HIT his/her volleys only to net a single disable.
Don't go around calling people bad shots when it's the design that's flawed, we might not all be gods of the Hwacha, but if everyone has to be considered something like this to be allowed to properly disable at least semi-consistently with this gun, then I wonder if this gun is actually worth general usage.
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