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Hwacha Tweek
RearAdmiralZill:
--- Quote ---The thing is, Heavy's puspose is just that, making an inaccurate weapon effective at range and it works exactly like this for any other gun that utilizes except the Hwacha. Carronades don't care about spread, Gatling doesn't care either, these are guns that target single components per shot, the Hwacha is probably the only one that gets a double downside from Heavy clip from both losing 5 rockets and having absolutely no spread to its shots to hit more components per volley withouth taking a year to empy the clip by burst firing.
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You lose 5 rockets to gain the ability to hit something at its maximum range. It then gives you perfect (in the game's logic) accuracy in order to land those shots. If I was to disable one gun at maximum range that could also hit me but now cant due to my shot, I've been successful. This is my perspective for long range hwacha fighting.
--- Quote ---Heavy Clip is a double edged sword for the Hwacha while while not having the same apply for other guns that utilize it is where I'm getting at. I personaly believe it shouldn't be like this, hence why I want some spread back, I don't get why it's so hard to agree with something like this, it's clear, obvious and the only counter argument anyone has managed to come up so far is that it's a matter of my or anyone's gunner being bad, which is very undermining to the person that actually fired and gun and actully HIT his/her volleys only to net a single disable.
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While you may personally see it that way, I, and im assuming others, do not and this is why we have this debate. I see it gaining the same pro/con as other guns that utilize heavy to achieve something. In the case of hwacha, you lose 5 rockets, thus less disable power and damage, but gain the ability to shoot someone, and still disable something, at its maximum range. Its a hwacha's lesmok in essence.
--- Quote ---Don't go around calling people bad shots when it's the design that's flawed, we might not all be gods of the Hwacha, but if everyone has to be considered something like this to be allowed to properly disable at least semi-consistently with this gun, then I wonder if this gun is actually worth general usage.
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Im not sure if this was targeted at me or not, but I never called you or your gunners bad shots. You are adamant in your belief that the gun is flawed, when others simply don't think so and cant really counter you without coming across at "you need to shoot it differently."
My short answer is that I will always fail to grasp your concept of adding spread to get more accurate. I say it in the nicest tone I can on the internet.
geggis:
I don't see why you can't spread your shots around manually if you've got heavy clip loaded though. You can't tighten your shots up without heavy clip but you can totally loosen them up with heavy clip. You don't have to fire a salvo into one localised spot. That's like complaining that greased rounds fire too quickly when you can always ease off on the trigger. Spread your shots around focusing on different components. How far away are you talking here Echoez because I totally appreciate this being difficult at extreme distances but the Hwacha doesn't seem cut out for that kind of range. It can handle long ranges, sure, but not optimally which makes sense to me given the LJ and Flak's effective ranges.
Captain Smollett:
There's no longer accurate publicly available data that lists the correct hwacha aoe, so you'll have to trust me that it's 7 meters; but I can absolutely guarantee that it is.
There are also many reasons that a hwacha barrage could take out one gun on the side of the galleon and not the other; ie he nailed only 5 shots on gun but one gunner repaired mid volley, he nailed 4 shots on gun but pulled the rest way to the side etc etc
I agree unless you're a very good hwacha gunner max range shots are difficult to achieve full disables with; when I take a hwacha fish in pub matches or even when I take a hwacha in competitive play I'll often ask my gunners to hold fire until I say so. This way I can achieve the optimal range for a heavy clip hwacha based on my quary as well as stabilize the ship so my gunners shots predictably fall where they aim.
HamsterIV:
--- Quote from: Sammy B. T. on October 04, 2013, 12:49:16 am ---Does anyone else keep reading "Hwacha Twerk" like I keep on doing?
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Thanks Sammy, now I have the mental picture of a large black woman shaking her butt while standing on the front gun of my goldfish stuck in my head. In combination with Lord Dick Tim's "Sensual Whale Noises" I am going to need some therapy.
Nidh:
More spread on heavy clip won't make it more accurate, just more forgiving. Also the amount of screen shake makes it even harder to aim effectively, you'd need to move it around by 5~ pixels which is pretty hard to keep under control. If the hwacha wasn't meant to use heavy clip and disable at mid-longe range, why does it have such a ridiculously long shell life? It SHOULD out class the Artemis, right?
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