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Carronades 1.3.2
Echoez:
--- Quote from: IvKir on October 03, 2013, 03:45:47 pm ---I can counter Lumberjack by good piloting. And you need a combination of a good pilot and good gunner, to score long range hits. Of course, if this not the Dunes.)
And the Heavy Carronade, with heavy round, is really not so close range weapon. That a little closer range, than gatling, for example. And no, i don't see a point in getting longer reload time - that not the problem, i think. But a closer range - yes.
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There is a.. limit to what you as a pilot can do to avoid Lumberjack shots and that gun has so many of them, that it doesn't realy matter unless the enemy gunner can't hit a giant balloon soon enough. The only thing the pilot need to do is, nothing. Just don't move the ship while keeping it steady and on target, that's all, on ALL maps, not just Dunes.
Also the Heavy carronade has a significant 200 meter less range than a Gatling, wouldn't call that 'little' and none of the two guns is actually used at the absolute max range cause it's too hard to pull of properly. It could go back to 450 for all I care, but no less than it was in 1.3.1
--- Quote from: IvKir on October 03, 2013, 04:04:50 pm ---I still can counter it by piloting and maneuvering, like going down, so much of the clip go into balloon. And i don't have this possibility when facing a blenderfish, well on most maps. I still can outmaneuver on some maps, and when enemy pilot is worse than me. But still...
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So basically you are saying that you can't use your balloon as a shield against a gun that is used to destroy balloons? I don't get your logic here, of course you can't counter the Carronade the same way you can counter a Gatling (woudn't even call it counter since they can just follow you down as well if they are clever.)
This just further proves my point that people simply aren't used to dealing with disablers due to Gat/Flak/Mortar being so popular in the latest patches.
Imagine:
--- Quote from: IvKir on October 03, 2013, 04:04:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Imagine on October 03, 2013, 03:57:41 pm ---
You can't really keep a hull up under constant gat fire either. What's your point?
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I still can counter it by piloting and maneuvering, like going down, so much of the clip go into balloon. And i don't have this possibility when facing a blenderfish, well on most maps. I still can outmaneuver on some maps, and when enemy pilot is worse than me. But still...
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Sorry but, if you can outmaneuver someone coming at you with a gat, you should be able to outmaneuver someone coming at you with a Carronade.
Gambrill:
--- Quote from: Imagine on October 03, 2013, 04:15:52 pm ---
--- Quote from: IvKir on October 03, 2013, 04:04:50 pm ---
--- Quote from: Imagine on October 03, 2013, 03:57:41 pm ---
You can't really keep a hull up under constant gat fire either. What's your point?
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I still can counter it by piloting and maneuvering, like going down, so much of the clip go into balloon. And i don't have this possibility when facing a blenderfish, well on most maps. I still can outmaneuver on some maps, and when enemy pilot is worse than me. But still...
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Sorry but, if you can outmaneuver someone coming at you with a gat, you should be able to outmaneuver someone coming at you with a Carronade.
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since the gat has more rounds and quicker turning speed and more arc :)
IvKir:
--- Quote from: Gambrill on October 03, 2013, 04:10:57 pm ---
so you decided to get involved into a 1v1 with an ally nowhere near you against a disbler ship designed to excell at 1v1 but suffer in 2v1 / 2v1?
Also have you ever tried getting him to chase you and tarring him? if he's stupid enough to carry on going through he'll wreck his ship. if he moves away it gives you more chance to get out of there and hurt him a bit
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Sometimes there no other way - i prefer Junker, so i can't outrun goldfish in this case... and, yap, tar is helpful, but.. not so often. Sometimes it's just flying near, using heavy rounds to topple... and that's enough, sometimes.
IvKir:
--- Quote from: Echoez on October 03, 2013, 04:15:33 pm ---
There is a.. limit to what you as a pilot can do to avoid Lumberjack shots and that gun has so many of them, that it doesn't realy matter unless the enemy gunner can't hit a giant balloon soon enough. The only thing the pilot need to do is, nothing. Just don't move the ship while keeping it steady and on target, that's all, on ALL maps, not just Dunes.
Also the Heavy carronade has a significant 200 meter less range than a Gatling, wouldn't call that 'little' and none of the two guns is actually used at the absolute max range cause it's too hard to pull of properly. It could go back to 450 for all I care, but no less than it was in 1.3.1
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Ya, there is a limit. But i still can pull some nice maneuvers. And not all maps - in Paritan Rumble, let's say, i can force "sniping build" to go into med-close range combat. Same on Ambush, of course if he's foolish enough to get himself in close quarters.
--- Quote from: Gambrill on October 03, 2013, 04:10:57 pm ---
So basically you are saying that you can't use your balloon as a shield against a gun that is used to destroy balloons? I don't get your logic here, of course you can't counter the Carronade the same way you can counter a Gatling (woudn't even call it counter since they can just follow you down as well if they are clever.)
This just further proves my point that people simply aren't used to dealing with disablers due to Gat/Flak/Mortar being so popular in the latest patches.
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Basically i'm saying that there a things, that i can do, to counter builds. Except for blenderfish - it's fast, so i cant outrun it. It's more maneuverable, so i can't make him turn to me the way i need, and i'm can't get high enough, because i'm must damage my balloon, thus making it's an easy target for incoming blender. And even if i'm get high, i cant get higher, than game allow me. And when we on same high... goodbye mah balloon. -_-
About disablers - you see, we have that build. It'll help us to get down some fishes, but... see my point, about difficulty.
Yes-yes, we know that you are pro. But there a lot of people, who don't. And who get trumped by easy blenderfish. Because it's easy and effective.
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