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Raising consciousness for "stacking" !

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Garou:

--- Quote from: RainerZuFall on September 10, 2013, 03:11:45 pm ---That's because you probably already entered a match or lobby that didn't have many experienced people in it.
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Now you're being selective. You mean to say you've never been in a match that had a mix of experienced and inexperienced people in it? You've never flown that match where one player not listening throws off your entire ship? Where your main engie is more interested in shooting guns than repairing and, though your other crews might be solid, that one cog breaks the machine? Please.

Rainer Zu Fall:
I was - but because of teaching purposes. Otherwise I enter those lobbies, take a look, "Oh, those guys are not my level, better leave them to themselves" and leave.

Garou:

--- Quote from: RainerZuFall on September 10, 2013, 03:16:51 pm ---I was - but because of teaching purposes. Otherwise I enter those lobbies, take a look, "Oh, those guys are not my level, better leave them to themselves" and leave.

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Again, you're using selective memory there. I know personally, I've had plenty of matches where a few guys are good, a few not so good. I don't throw blame around, and I swallow my frustration, but by the same I stick around both because the competition is good, and for the sake of those crew members that are good, and try to make something work. Really, don't tell me you haven't had -those- matches in PuGs. If not, then you probably play mostly with people on your friends list. Nothing wrong with that, but it's not the same as a random PuG. You take what you can get in those matches, and a lot of times what you get isn't close to what you want.

And yes, I -do- try to instruct as I play when I see a new player. I feel most of us do. I very seldom see anyone lambasting new players for being new, and those people are generally called out by the other experienced players for being a jerk.

Andika:
I was there at that match which Rainer got the idea for this thread from (I understand this is a general thread, but you asked for personal stacking stories  :P), and to me it seemed that stacking wasn't really intentional there in the sense that nobody wanted to get an overpowered team against inexperienced/new players. (I was on the "overpowered" side, and based on the discussions on our ship I can tell that nobody wanted a stomping team there, in fact everyone complained about balance issues midgame, which justifies your points about the game not being fun that way) It's just that it is difficult to arrange a balance when new players are continuously joining into the lobby, and by that, they mix up, quite unintentionally of course, any balance attempts that were originally started. (By new players I mean new to that lobby, not to the game).

I guess this is what happened in that particular lobby where people tried to move to the other team after a match or so, but at the same time some of the more experienced captains left the lobby, and less experienced ones joined in their places, so we ended up with the same imbalanced setup in spite of some players switching sides. (BTW, switching sides and arranging crew members for minutes in a lobby often scares players away. I have been in many lobbies where it was indeed the less experienced team that wanted to ready up asap, because they just wanted to play/have fun and didn't want to wait for the boring balancing/ammo loadouts, etc.)

Not to mention that many folks just really want to stick with their friends for a couple of matches, so they will not go to the other side. Not because someone wants to win all the time, I guess everyone would agree that challenging matches are the most rewarding and exciting to play, but because, lets say, I wanna keep chatting with my friends, and party chat can get really messy after a while if we are on other teams.

Anyway, I too have been stomped a bunch of times by stacking crews, what I usually do is switch to another match for a few minutes until things get evened out there, unless of course the stacking ships are willing to mix up a bit.

But honestly, while I agree that stacking is a problem, I rarely like leaving ships if it means that I don't get to play with my best friends around here. Some of my friends here are hardly ever online (or we just miss each other because of time zones), and when I manage to catch them online, I am so happy about seeing them that I simply do not want to go to other teams. Also, I've got friends with whom I fly a lot, but I simply enjoy playing with them so much, that whenever there is a spot on their ships, I just can't resist joining in. And all this doesn't mean that I never get to know new folks or never fly with strangers, naturally.  :)

BTW, a good midway solution against team stacking could be to move one whole ship on the overpowered side to the other side of the match. That way one can still play with friends on the same ship, but the two more experienced ships won't stay on the same team.

Imagine:

--- Quote from: RainerZuFall on September 10, 2013, 03:01:59 pm ---
--- Quote from: Imagine on September 10, 2013, 02:52:47 pm ---Putting together one side for the sole reason of stomping pubs is bad. The amount of times that's the reasoning behind supposed "stacking" is somewhere around zero. People on same teams or people who are friends (or both) enjoy themselves more when playing together, that's the bottom line. Telling people to go campaign against playing together and that instead they should be playing against each other is what I say No to.

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Sadly it's not around zero. There are players that want to win/increase their win streak/don't want to fight against difficult enemies, and that's their exact reason.

I do not say they should not play together, I'm sorry, but I think you haven't understodd the whole purpose of this. As already stated, stacking players that like to play together not only as a crew but as a team could also play against other teams that feel that way instead of many teams only playing against unexperienced players.
Or play with unexperienced players on both sides to make it fair. That way you also may make new friends.

So "Telling people to go campaign against playing together" is not only what I meant but also something I don't want to be achieved by that. If people want to, they sure can play as a crew together and their friends could play on the opposite team if there are not enough lobbies to perform the first examplary solution.

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Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit on that. Do you have some kind of actual proof, chat logs, video, anything of the sort with which you can actually definitively say the reason some folks were playing on one side was solely because they wanted to stomp pubs for your aformentioned reasons, and on a regular basis? Because frankly most the people I know don't even look at that stuff more than like maybe once every few weeks.

And if you're just... assuming this to be the case, then I really don't have anything else to say to you.

Look, I know your heart is in the right place with this, but really the problem is, as I mentioned, this is basically a campaign to tell friends to play against each other instead of together.

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