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Raising consciousness for "stacking" !
-Mad Maverick-:
ah that makes more sense
Eukari:
Rainer, I understand- and I do think that PuGs suffer from a lot of one-sided matches. But, I also kinda agree with Imagine here; if I'm playing with friends, the most fun for me is when we're all on the same ship. Killing buddies is fun, but you don't get to talk to them during the match or anything. We're not trying to stack the match, we just want to hang out on a cool airship.
Rainer Zu Fall:
--- Quote from: Imagine on September 10, 2013, 02:52:47 pm ---Putting together one side for the sole reason of stomping pubs is bad. The amount of times that's the reasoning behind supposed "stacking" is somewhere around zero. People on same teams or people who are friends (or both) enjoy themselves more when playing together, that's the bottom line. Telling people to go campaign against playing together and that instead they should be playing against each other is what I say No to.
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Sadly it's not around zero. There are players that want to win/increase their win streak/don't want to fight against difficult enemies, and that's their exact reason.
I do not say they should not play together, I'm sorry, but I think you haven't understodd the whole purpose of this. As already stated, stacking players that like to play together not only as a crew but as a team could also play against other teams that feel that way instead of many teams only playing against unexperienced players.
Or play with unexperienced players on both sides to make it fair. That way you also may make new friends.
So "Telling people to go campaign against playing together" is not only what I meant but also something I don't want to be achieved by that. If people want to, they sure can play as a crew together and their friends could play on the opposite team if there are not enough lobbies to perform the first examplary solution.
--- Quote from: Eukari on September 10, 2013, 02:56:12 pm ---Rainer, I understand- and I do think that PuGs suffer from a lot of one-sided matches. But, I also kinda agree with Imagine here; if I'm playing with friends, the most fun for me is when we're all on the same ship. Killing buddies is fun, but you don't get to talk to them during the match or anything. We're not trying to stack the match, we just want to hang out on a cool airship.
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That's why I gave you the example of
--- Quote from: RainerZuFall on September 10, 2013, 02:47:32 pm ---You can put one crew that works on one side an the other one on the other side.
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As said, if you don't like that, there are many ways to achieve a fair match for everyone and also play with your friends - be it team or crew.
Garou:
While we're at it, let's run down a familiar PuG scenario:
You've played 5 matches with crews who don't talk, don't bring the correct loadout (after being asked), or just generally sort of do what they want ("Please stop shooting that carronade engie, the hull is down). On top of that, your allied captain isn't talking and just kind of rushes in wherever he wants. Despite your best efforts, you find yourself on the losing end every match, but you swallow your frustration and soldier on.
A few people filter out, a few more filter in, and suddenly, FINALLY, you find yourself with some crew who are willing to work with you, who listen when you make requests, and an allied captain who is eager to work with you and employ some strategy. Some of them are experienced and their levels show it. Angels sing from on high. You win your next few matches handily. Then someone starts crying "Stack!" and telling you to switch teams. What?! The game finally got good for you, why would you want to leave all these cool people to go back to that same bad experience you were having a few matches ago??
I fully understand the point of this thread, and I know that intentional stacking -does- happen, and it's bad, but in the interest of playing Devil's Advocate, not everything is so cut-and-dry.
Rainer Zu Fall:
--- Quote ---The game finally got good for you, why would you want to leave all these cool people to go back to that same bad experience you were having a few matches ago??
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That's because you probably already entered a match or lobby that didn't have many experienced people in it. If you would, as said, enter a match with more/only experienced people (you don't have to know them by the way) this wouldn't happen. As harsh as this may sound, but if you want to play with unexperienced players as the only or one of only a few experienced players don't expect things to be perfect. Those guys are learning the game.
If you don't like that, don't enter the game and make it less annyoing for you and them.
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