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Raising consciousness for "stacking" !
Rainer Zu Fall:
--- Quote ---BTW, a good midway solution against team stacking could be to move one whole ship on the overpowered side to the other side of the match. That way one can still play with friends on the same ship, but the two more experienced ships won't stay on the same team.
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That is one of the solutions I actually suggested 2 or 3 times right now.
--- Quote ---Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit on that. Do you have some kind of actual proof, chat logs, video, anything of the sort with which you can actually definitively say the reason some folks were playing on one side was solely because they wanted to stomp pubs for your aformentioned reasons, and on a regular basis? Because frankly most the people I know don't even look at that stuff more than like maybe once every few weeks.
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Yes I've got screenshots. Been collecting some over the last 2 weeks. I'm not gonna publish them anywhere though since I don't want people to be dragged into this as "this is a bad guy!". You've got to understand that too.
--- Quote ---Look, I know your heart is in the right place with this, but really the problem is, as I mentioned, this is basically a campaign to tell friends to play against each other instead of together.
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Then I am sorry to say that you still didn't get my point. I really like to try to make it a bit more understandable to you if you want over PM but I'm not gonna write the same things over and over and over again. If it was because someone brought up a new point, sure! I like to discuss ideas or get corrected if I missed something that made my point of view false. But I am not willing to repeat everything I said that already answered the replies incoming.
EDIT: Misspelling corrected
Imagine:
--- Quote from: RainerZuFall on September 10, 2013, 03:29:54 pm ---
--- Quote ---Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit on that. Do you have some kind of actual proof, chat logs, video, anything of the sort with which you can actually definitively say the reason some folks were playing on one side was solely because they wanted to stomp pubs for your aformentioned reasons, and on a regular basis? Because frankly most the people I know don't even look at that stuff more than like maybe once every few weeks.
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Yes I've got screenshots. Been collecting some over the last 2 weeks. I'm not gonna publish them anywhere though since I don't want people to be dragged into this as "this is a bad guy!". You've got to understand that too.
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So blank out names or something. Sorry, I just straight don't believe it. I mean, I can see it happening maybe here and there, but on a consistent basis? I just don't see it.
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--- Quote ---Look, I know your heart is in the right place with this, but really the problem is, as I mentioned, this is basically a campaign to tell friends to play against each other instead of together.
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Then I am sorry to say that you still didn't get my point. I really like to try to make it a bit more understandable to you if you want over PM but I'm not gonna write the same things over and over and over again. If it was because someone brought up a new point, sure! I like to discuss ideas or get corrected if I missed something that made my point of view false. But I am not willing to repeat everything I said that already answered the replies incoming.
EDIT: Misspelling corrected
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I mean, at it's core it really is, because it's what you're trying to affect the most. But whatever, it's apparent that you're not getting my point so I'm going to move on from here.
HamsterIV:
@Andika
I suggested something similar called the "Ship Shuffel" here:
https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,225.msg2439.html#msg2439
I acknowledge stacking is a problem but some times I don't have the mental energy or patience to put up with inexperienced players. Once you have been on a very well run ship/team it is hard to watch people play at a less than optimal level.
I am fully behind stacking teams if there is a troll or ship of trolls in a match. There is no better way to show someone that their behavior is unacceptable to the community than abandoning them for the other side.
Rainer Zu Fall:
--- Quote ---So blank out names or something. Sorry, I just straight don't believe it. I mean, I can see it happening maybe here and there, but on a consistent basis? I just don't see it.
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And how does that prove that there's always the same people stacking because of that reason?
--- Quote ---I mean, at it's core it really is, because it's what you're trying to affect the most. But whatever, it's apparent that you're not getting my point so I'm going to move on from here.
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Then explain it to me please. If it contains "play with friends", "crew split", "not the energy to play with unexperienced players" or "make new friends" it has already been answered and I've gotten your point (and answered it).
--- Quote ---I acknowledge stacking is a problem but some times I don't have the mental energy or patience to put up with inexperienced players. Once you have been on a very well run ship/team it is hard to watch people play at a less than optimal level.
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That only is understandable and human, as said. As an examplary solution I pointed out experienced players could just stick together in a lobby. If you don't want unexperienced players to join create a match with a password and ask in global who wants to join, give them the password then. If you got some in, others tend to come and aggregate in this lobby/match.
Also, I already wrote an idea (not in this thread) about a to be enabled lobby option "start-stop" or a "join-stop". Basically the levels of players (I know they don't show the experience, but you gain basic experience by playing and you gain levels to a certain point by just playing) in this lobby can be added and a factor calculated. If someone's level is far below this factor he/she may not join (join-stop). If the factors are different on each team the match can't be started (start-stop).
This would at least lead to anti-stack results without splitting the community too much and still allow players to play with their friends.
Garou:
--- Quote from: HamsterIV on September 10, 2013, 03:41:16 pm ---I am fully behind stacking teams if there is a troll or ship of trolls in a match. There is no better way to show someone that their behavior is unacceptable to the community than abandoning them for the other side.
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Agreed. I actually had a fun experience with that sort of stacking once. I joined a pub, and on my ship I had a relatively new gunner. He was a young guy, maybe early-mid teens, with a high voice. He was a nice kid, asking me questions and taking my advice and generally being polite.
On the blue side was a ship full of trolls. Two of them kept asking if he was a girl. Clearly having been asked before, the kid sort of sighed and, staying polite, said "Yeah, I know, I have kind of a high pitched voice, but I'm a guy not a girl". The trolls then proceeded to say lewd things to him (which I won't repeat here) for the duration of the lobby.
Before that moment, I was ready to team-hop for the sake of balance. After, I decided we were going to crush these fools. I got with my allied captain and together we focused the troll ship -hard-. They rage quit after 2 deaths. The kid on my ship was clearly having a blast and by the end had completely forgotten about their hazing.
Great times 8)
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