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Pyra being op?
Locutus of borg:
After sunderland's repeated pounding of the idea into my apparently thick skull I think I finnally get it. The fundamental problem is that the prolonged multi-stage battle is no longer practical. i.e. why pop a ships ballon and then kill them when you could just kill them twice as fast?
without the eloquent wording I believe that is the point he is trying to make, and I (in a rather defeated manner) musty say I agree. I think we need to find a way to bring the disabler back, the affect of this hopefully being that teamwork and stratedgy could take a jump to a whole new level and maybe we could see longer, multidimensional battles.
Nidh:
Hwacha - Goldfish used to be an amazing disabler until the Heavy Clip change. Imo Hwacha Goldfish is no longer as viable. But even back when Heavy wasn't changed the Goldfish and Galleon were the only true "support" ships. Right now the Heavy Carronade Goldfish imo is the only Brawler-Support ship that can disable a ship effectively. All other "support" style play is mostly Snipers with Lumberjacks or Hwacha - Goldfish, but again, imo Hwacha Goldfish is no longer as big a threat as it used to be.
So... yes, support play needs a buff. I've sent Muse an e-mail regarding this, and they have told me it's being worked on and experiments are going down trying to make it more viable.
Echoez:
--- Quote from: Nidh on August 29, 2013, 09:32:48 am ---If you say so. I find it quite easy since there is a marker for the bifecta point, the "V" ropes above the throttle in first person is where you want to aim. Also, The Heavy Carronade + Heavy Clip = Balloon down in 1 clip. The Artemis can disable engines and Heavy weapons while you take their balloon and armor down, plus it has explosive to help with the kill. I would argue that your not supposed to be looking for kills with a Goldfish anyway, just trying to give your ally an edge over them.
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Nidh plis, I showed you how that carronade works, I'm fully aware of what it's capable of as I've been running it since 1.2 before any changes to Heavy. ( I still miss old Lochnagar.. )
The 45 degree arc change was just a silly idea I had because me and Sunderland had a discussion going about how to 'buff' the Goldfish, aka how to break the ship.
Anyway, both weapons do their own thing, Heavy is realy crap from close range on a Hwacha now, can't count the times we had a 0 disable barrage cause of all the rounds hitting the same empty spot, ammo switching needs to be done in advanace and it requires more timing and precision than before, which is kinda detrimental to this gun since the long reload time and the chances of it getting disabled and loading the wrong rounds is high.
I also know about the V ropes and the place behind the altimeter, Artemis can't have a perfect bifecta with some angles, tested it a lot beforehand, but it is still one of the most viable Blenderfish side guns, which is why I ran two of these on Cogs (and not 2 harpoons for those that watched the stream > .>)
An other thing is, the smaller clip the hwacha has with Heavy Clip reduced it's killing power with Heavy by a lot, so long range kills are much harder.
Nidh:
It's just not that hard to keep the bifecta is all I'm saying, and in my experience it is very much worth having a buffed Artemis on the side. In fact, I tell the buff-engie to ignore the front gun and just buff the Artemis, buffing the Heavy Carronade wastes too much time imo. But that's besides the point. I agree with you guys that 2-killing ships outshine the support roles, and it's being worked on.
Captain Smollett:
Honestly I'm not convinced outright killing heavily outshines disabling; to be certain it's definitely the meta right now, and I think that's likely due to it being easier and more gratifying to make the quick kill. But disabling in my opinion is just as effective.
Also, just as a side note, Muse can't really make disabling too good, because anytime something is really effective at disabling it really draws down the fun factor for new players. For example look through the forum and see the bajillion of posts regarding the old artemis, the old carronades or the current lumberjack and manticore.
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