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So, about those Double Hwachas

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Captain Smollett:
Well, he's not the first new player to think Hwachas are op as anyone who frequent the forums know.  They're one of those weapons that are brutal on newer players and infrequently used by vets (note how often you see hwachas in competitive play). 

When crews are not organized, don't know the correct priority of repairs and rebuilds and allies fly off to lala land to look at the beautiful maps; any disabling builds, especially hwachas seem overpowered and frustrating to deal with.  Also most newer players won't know the hwacha counter strategies, like how to doge a hwacha shot, how to break a hwacha before it hits your ship and barring that, how to mitigate the damage of a hwacha blast and minimize component breakage when getting hit by one (or 2 in this case).

My best recommendation to you sir would be to fly and crew with high level players and learn from their experience.  If you decide to stick with the game; you'll learn all these tricks and then some and punish the next Galleon foolish enough to think they can win with a double hwacha broadside.

Barujin:

--- Quote from: Captain Smollett on July 23, 2013, 07:08:58 pm ---Well, he's not the first new player to think Hwachas are op as anyone who frequent the forums know.  They're one of those weapons that are brutal on newer players and infrequently used by vets (note how often you see hwachas in competitive play). 

When crews are not organized, don't know the correct priority of repairs and rebuilds and allies fly off to lala land to look at the beautiful maps; any disabling builds, especially hwachas seem overpowered and frustrating to deal with.  Also most newer players won't know the hwacha counter strategies, like how to doge a hwacha shot, how to break a hwacha before it hits your ship and barring that, how to mitigate the damage of a hwacha blast and minimize component breakage when getting hit by one (or 2 in this case).

My best recommendation to you sir would be to fly and crew with high level players and learn from their experience.  If you decide to stick with the game; you'll learn all these tricks and then some and punish the next Galleon foolish enough to think they can win with a double hwacha broadside.

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^This.

This is the first time that I've been through this, so all of the accusations against me are simply unnecessary. This game is not friendly to beginners and the Hwacha just makes it very frustrating. Consider what happens if a pilot doesn't notice a Galleon coming up from behind with double Hwachas because they're focused on taking out its partner. Then, a pilot could easily end up in an endless session of Hwacha repairs. This is exactly the problem I had. The weapon is OP simply as a disabler. The critics of this thread are the ones who aren't listening... to me.

Surette:

--- Quote from: Barujin on July 23, 2013, 11:46:05 pm ---This is the first time that I've been through this, so all of the accusations against me are simply unnecessary. This game is not friendly to beginners and the Hwacha just makes it very frustrating. Consider what happens if a pilot doesn't notice a Galleon coming up from behind with double Hwachas because they're focused on taking out its partner. Then, a pilot could easily end up in an endless session of Hwacha repairs. This is exactly the problem I had. The weapon is OP simply as a disabler. The critics of this thread are the ones who aren't listening... to me.

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Barujin, I understand you're feeling frustrated, but the thing is that you approached this from the totally wrong way. If you had created a thread and said "hey everyone, I went up against a dual hwacha galleon and got owned, what can I do differently to counter this?" everyone would have happily given you advice. As you can see from this thread, we have loads of veteran players here willing to share some great strategies. Instead, however, you created a thread saying "hey everyone, I went up against a dual hwacha galleon and got owned, the gun is really overpowered and the game mechanics are broken." It's just not an open mindset. So I hope you can understand where some of the people in this thread are coming from when they might seem to be attacking you. It's not that people here aren't receptive to new players, we just like to see new players willing to learn. At first it seemed like you had no interest in learning, and that instead were content just telling us the gun is broken. Surely if the gun was actually broken there would be a lot more complaints here about it.

Anyway, the point is that all of us here are ready and willing to help you; we love seeing new players get excited about the game and want to learn how to counter certain loadouts. What people here don't like seeing is new players blaming the game for being broken instead of trying to take the time to learn. And I'm not saying you're necessarily against learning, but some of your posts came across as you simply blaming the game for your losing. And trust me, I know how frustrating losing can be, especially when you're starting out. I think all of us do; we've all been there. Just have to stick with it and fly with some experienced captains who can show you some tricks. And luckily we have an amazing community here of people willing to teach, provided people are willing to learn.

Hopefully you decide to stick around and give the game another shot. I know you said you thought the game wasn't for you, but once you start practicing more and flying with other experienced players, the teamwork and tactics get a lot easier.

Calico Jack:

--- Quote from: Barujin on July 23, 2013, 11:46:05 pm ---
This is the first time that I've been through this, so all of the accusations against me are simply unnecessary.

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I crew with a lot of new players and, I'm sure I'm not alone in this, there is a subset of new players will continue to do the same things that didn't work, despite being advised on how to better their skills.  Now sometimes it's a case of tunnel vision, and once they step back and reflect they will see their errors. Other times it's just bloody-mindedness, it's the game that's broken not their gameplay and this kind of player is the bane of any crew. The longer you play the more you will see this kind of player, and this is perhaps why some of the replies appear to make assumptions about what you have or haven't done in-game, the tone of your original post came across as the latter.

That said posts while not agreeing with your main premiss because they know a double manti-lleon is not really such a threat if handled correctly, but are offering some really good piloting tips in this thread to deal with the problem you had, take time to write, that shows people care enough to spend the time addressing your problem.

Group hug all?

Captain Smollett:
Lemme get in that group hug action.

I feel better already.

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