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Lumberjack Discussion
Imagine:
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--- Quote from: Machiavelliest on May 27, 2013, 07:28:38 am ---I'm going to throw out there that the disparity here might be that the Lumberjack is well-balanced for new gunners, but insanely deadly in the hands of experienced ones. Play with or against Charon or Kubitsuri on the Lumberjack and it really changes the dynamics of what the weapon is capable of.
I'd argue that the originally difficult technique of firing the weapon was used as a balancing factor. The baseline skill has improved for the weapon, and thus that balancing factor might be argued as not effective against well-trained gunners. The game stats aren't the only variable here--the skill level and composition of the community is changing, so the game must change to accomodate that.
Personally, I feel that a little balancing is needed to prevent very skilled Lumberjackers from being able to single-weapon kill so quickly against another target. The carronades pop balloons, but if you double up carronade, people don't die this fast, and it's much tougher to do that.
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Srsly guys.
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the lumberjack is a good balanced gun, you are just wanting its power lowered because you die too much.
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As far as I can tell, it's a small vocal minority clammoring for LJ changes, perhaps because of what you said.
Ofiach:
It is a minority of the forum dwellers but a majority of people who actually play the game. In just about every lobby you hear people say the LJ is fun to use but OP as shit. In alot of lobbies people wont even use it because they feel dirty.
Most people who play the game don't bother coming to the forums. They pretty much feel that forum talk never changes anything so why bother. It is different with muse because they at least listen but most players wont buy that. Even when you ask em to go put their opinion on the forum they would rather just hop lobbies when they have to deal with LJ snipers.
Imagine:
--- Quote from: Ofiach on May 28, 2013, 08:29:37 pm ---It is a minority of the forum dwellers but a majority of people who actually play the game. In just about every lobby you hear people say the LJ is fun to use but OP as shit. In alot of lobbies people wont even use it because they feel dirty.
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I think your sense of perception about it is skewed. Outside of the forums, I've seen LJs discussed in game region or lobby maybe... once? Twice?
Anyways, I don't think anyone is arguing that it's not a good weapon, but it seems like the general consensus is that it's not overpowered, both in the eyes of many players and the devs themselves.
Kestril:
--- Quote from: Ofiach on May 28, 2013, 08:29:37 pm ---It is a minority of the forum dwellers but a majority of people who actually play the game. In just about every lobby you hear people say the LJ is fun to use but OP as shit. In alot of lobbies people wont even use it because they feel dirty.
Most people who play the game don't bother coming to the forums. They pretty much feel that forum talk never changes anything so why bother. It is different with muse because they at least listen but most players wont buy that. Even when you ask em to go put their opinion on the forum they would rather just hop lobbies when they have to deal with LJ snipers.
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Uh, I don't use the LJ because it doesn't work well just on its own without coordination in pubs. I like the weapon, and think its good at what it does, but I prefer the heavy flak over the LJ in most circumstances. If they felt that strongly about the LJ being OP, I think they'd create an account and make sure their concern is noted on the forum.
Letus:
Unsure about the Lumberjack being missused and "dirty." Never heard that before.
If anything, the hwatcha is the most overpowered thing out there as MOST pubs that I've been in have at least one...on average of 3. Problem is that the hwatcha can destroy everything, while the Lumberjack destroys what...2 items? Three if you count a ship.
And if we're going to throw in the whole "sniping deal"
Then Nerf the Heavy Clip Hwatcha
The Mercury field gun
and the Artemis.
Oh and Heavy clip Gatling gun, and light Flack cannon
Heavy flack cannon with Lesmok annnd
...
Heavy clip Banshee
probably Lesmok light mortar.
In the right hands, those guns can be deadly, and can easily kill you, or highly maim you if you're going for that whole brawling charge-and-die method before you can deal any damage.
In fact..
Nerf all guns.
They blow you up apparently, and that seems to be bad to every pilot....
Seriously, I saw a bot easily hit a shot that I tend to use Lesmok on a Lumberjack with a regular round Light Mortar shot...
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