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Offline Byron Cavendish

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2015, 03:53:22 pm »
Those parties have mostly retired by now :)

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2015, 04:13:37 pm »
So amazingly pleasantly surprised by this. Whole thing.

"Each rounds takes place on Saturdays, but can take place at the convenience of each team (and caster + referee) at a different day."

Could I get some clarification for this? I have some PTSD from a tournament that was basically schedule yourself in and thus I've always been wary of an event with choose your day to play.

When is this supposed to begin, time and date?

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #17 on: February 21, 2015, 05:34:30 am »
So amazingly pleasantly surprised by this. Whole thing.

"Each rounds takes place on Saturdays, but can take place at the convenience of each team (and caster + referee) at a different day."

Could I get some clarification for this? I have some PTSD from a tournament that was basically schedule yourself in and thus I've always been wary of an event with choose your day to play.

When is this supposed to begin, time and date?

This will definitly begin on next Saturday, signs up will close on Sat. 28 Feb. at 18:00 GMT+1, Map pool  + match generation will be streamed at 19:00.

And first rounds will begin on Saturday 21:00 GMT+1.

Schedule is a little flexible, each team can do their own hour at their conveniance if really needed. (Ex. 2 teams from US wish to battle at 21:00 local time, we will move it to this hour.)

But most of them will be on Saturdays and won't move unless both teams can't play at this hour.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 05:36:03 am by VVhite Angel »

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2015, 09:07:08 am »
404 Would gladly join, but i have to say we're hardly available on saturdays! How much can the match move?

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #19 on: February 21, 2015, 12:08:30 pm »
It's an interesting idea, but my only concern is the same concern players have had with other league ideas that split up the teams. Do we have enough teams? I think the rules mentioned that each subdivision needs at least 8 teams? Being able to put crews together that only have a single ship might help a bit, but probably not to the extent desired. Even the SCS has trouble getting 8 teams at any given time, let alone more teams.

That being said, I think we should support it and help it grow.

I'd really start pushing for it in game, get Keyvias (Keyvias@musegames.com) or just email feedback@musegames.com to get it on the list of events in game; and even get them to bring it up on the fireside chat. The people who frequent the forums are almost exclusively veterans, so getting new teams will be a challenge. Start contacting different clans directly, basically anytime you see a decent sized group of players, and telling them about it. Direct contact is usually the best method. You can even put something up on the steam discussion boards.


Then my last concern is the time frame. The GoIO Seasonal is scheduled to begin on April 4th, are these events going to clash?

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2015, 12:23:55 pm »
Thanks for the direct invitation, that is definitely more effective than relying on people to read the forum.

I've posted the links to this thread and your site on our STRAY DAGZ Steam group page.  We're not interested in the competitive tournament scene, but we  will support events that encourage social gaming.

We may be able to commit one ship; I'll leave it to my pack to decide who is interested and they will register asap if so.


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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #21 on: February 21, 2015, 01:37:43 pm »
While this looks nice, I'm a little confused and concerned about there being two conflicting seasonal events (see here: https://gunsoficarus.com/community/forum/index.php/topic,5667.0.html). How will that be handled?

Offline VVhite Angel

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2015, 02:28:15 pm »
Do we have enough teams? I think the rules mentioned that each subdivision needs at least 8 teams?

Yes, we have a first list of 30 teams without including greaters teams. The real problem in fact is the lack of social link between all.
+ the lacks of direct sign un InGame that slows everything. And it take some time to contact everyone, explain all, and let them spread the word on their teams gathering yes or no answer ... take some times.

About the conflicting events, well ... it was unexpected that this one shows up. We've been thinking about a league since some month until we finally decided to go on.
We can't say "Lets do something great all" and let them project down, we respect the work of everyone who wish to create their own event.

The only thing i can say is ... we're open to gather more people, we"re open to let them joining us, and if they want to lead their events to the end we will care to not disturb their plans too much (which is hard i must admit atm with SCS, unbirthday, and others event.

But we are determined to lead this project very far, that's why we show an "all open project" where every caster, referee, team, organizer can join.

Our main work and maybe problem atm is to spread to word about the event. Gather the more people we can until next week ... is really a great  and hard job.
And this is maybe the only thing that lacks into GoIO.
« Last Edit: February 21, 2015, 02:30:18 pm by VVhite Angel »

Offline Thomas

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2015, 02:55:25 pm »
That seems... abnormally large. Is there a way to see the list of teams?

Offline VVhite Angel

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2015, 04:15:27 pm »
That seems... abnormally large. Is there a way to see the list of teams?

Sandstorm Republic [SREP]
The Sky Slicers [TAG]
Finest Chaotic Ingot [FCI]
Les Ferrailleurs [..]
Ecchi Lolis Desu [ERO]
The Sprecialist [2620]
STRAY DAGZ [DAGZ]
Aeterna [TAG]
The Grim Reapers [Grim]
Angry Army [AJSA]
CAKE [CAKE]
SPQR [SPQR]
Crimson Sky Menace [CSM]
Clan Clan [Clan]
Sacrile [SAC]
The Bards [TAG]
The Lols[Tete de pirate]
The Brotherhood [TB]
the halo effect [Halo]
The Bully Boys [TBB]
Sky Badgers Inc [BDGR]
The Trading Troops
Clan Not Found [404]
king's Gambit [KG]
Go Underneath or run [GUNR]
Amon-Ra Priest [TAG]
Wings Of Daedalus [WoD]
Penguins Gone Wild [PGW]
Zill's merry men[mm]

29,
lacks Gents, Rydr, Hydra, Star bubbles, and some more i forgot :)



Offline Thomas

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2015, 04:22:25 pm »
.......

So a lot of these teams aren't competitive, a few of these clans don't even have enough active members for teams, and a few of them are just about completely inactive. There's a big difference between a clan and a competitive team.

We have maybe 8 teams who show up in the SCS consistently. Larger events tend to pull in more teams of course. I think the Hephaestus had the best turnout of any competitive event, and that was only 14 teams or so? And a good portion of those are no longer around.

On your site, I think I've seen only about 3 teams or so currently registered?

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2015, 05:00:22 pm »
Sure ! That's why they can provide one crew and find another one to play with.




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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2015, 05:01:56 pm »
This list seems extremely ambitious. You should probably contact the clan lead or team lead for each of these clans before assuming they will be able to join. As much as Sac likes this idea we are currently not playing competitively.

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2015, 05:39:00 pm »
This was a list of probability clans that are in the number able to join.
In reality maybe some of them won't :)

About match moving (LogHalley) we can think about sunday before SCS, or after. Depending on another team, we will use Doodle tool for schedule this kind of situation.

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Re: Guns of Icarus - League
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2015, 05:49:39 pm »
Sandstorm Republic [SREP]
The Sky Slicers [TAG]
Finest Chaotic Ingot [FCI]
Les Ferrailleurs [..]
Ecchi Lolis Desu [ERO]
The Sprecialist [2620]
STRAY DAGZ [DAGZ]
Aeterna [TAG]
The Grim Reapers [Grim]
Angry Army [AJSA]
CAKE [CAKE]
SPQR [SPQR]
Crimson Sky Menace [CSM]
Clan Clan [Clan]
Sacrile [SAC]
The Bards [TAG]
The Lols[Tete de pirate]
The Brotherhood [TB]
the halo effect [Halo]
The Bully Boys [TBB]
Sky Badgers Inc [BDGR]
The Trading Troops
Clan Not Found [404]
king's Gambit [KG]
Go Underneath or run [GUNR]
Amon-Ra Priest [TAG]
Wings Of Daedalus [WoD]
Penguins Gone Wild [PGW]
Zill's merry men[mm]

29,
lacks Gents, Rydr, Hydra, Star bubbles, and some more i forgot :)

Of these teams listed, the only ones that have ever participated in anything competitive are: Grim Reapers, Cake, SPQR, Crimson Sky Menace, Clan Clan, Sacrilege, Bards in tandem with Star Bubbles to make StarBards, The Brotherhood/Hydra (same clan/team), The Bully Boys, Clan Not Found, Wings of Daedalus, Zill's Merry Men, Gentlemen, and Ryder. For the sake of the argument, I'll also toss in Ducks because you didn't include them. So of your 30+/-, we've narrowed down the list to 14 clans and competitive teams. 

Of these: Grim Reapers have disbanded/gone inactive/are dead for the most part. Cake, Sacrilege, Clan Not Found, The Bully Boys, and Zill's Merry Men's competitive teams have all been disbanded for one reason or another (or at the very least, they aren't active in any of the recent events in the competitive scene). Clan Clan, The Brotherhood/Hydra, and Crimson Sky Menace have teams that are starting to come back I believe, though I'm not sure about any activity they have in a tournaments.

This narrows any teams that would "more than likely" participate in any competitive tournament to SPQR, StarBards, Gentlemen, Ryder, and Ducks, so 5 teams. Now, obviously, any of the clans/teams either I or you mentioned could join this League. But yes, your initial list was far too ambitious.

Sure ! That's why they can provide one crew and find another one to play with.

While this seems like a good idea at first, it really falls apart when you consider just how complex a successful Guns of Icarus competitive team has to be. Very rarely has 2 clans coming together been successful in any event. The only examples that come to my mind are the Crimson Sky Ryders, Holy Roman Army, and more recently StarBards. The catch, is that all of these teams organized outside of the competitive events that they participated in, as opposed to being thrown together by the event organizers. Most seriously competitive tournaments require a team to be 8 people because of the organization required in the team for it to be...well, competitive. If you take 1 ship of 4 people and throw them with another ship of 4 people that they've never played with before, and then make them face someone who has a full team of 8 well organized people, on 2 communicating ships. Its not going to be much of a competitive match. Frankly speaking, its going to be a walk-over. So while the idea of signing up "half" of a team, or 1 ship/4 players, is a nice idea of getting more people involved, realistically in an actual competitive tournament they're not going to stand much of a chance against any of the well organized teams of 8 players/2 ships. And even if you have it so teams that are made up of 2 half combined teams fight only other teams made up of 2 half combined teams, its not going to be very interesting to watch, its going to be a pub-styled match with little organization  on the respective teams.

Just an opinion.