Author Topic: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!  (Read 9577 times)

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Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« on: July 31, 2014, 06:03:35 am »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba4k5Ko4fkM

Feel free to check the timings yourself, as I didn't do any of those fancy on-frame timer things :P For spam-clicking I use an autoclicking macro.

As far as I can tell, the problem stems from the left click holding hit speed being slightly slower than spam clicking, especially once the rebuild is 1/3 complete. Frogger (thanks Frogger) has informed me that overall, left click holding rebuild speeds are on average 10% slower than spam clicking speeds.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2014, 06:30:34 am »
atleast everyone is able to spam left click

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 07:23:39 am »
Everyone who's mouse still works and who doesn't have carpal tunnel syndrome :P (well, the carpal tunnel part is not funny)

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 08:13:57 am »
When my mouse battery dies, I have to switch to using my laptop's in-built trackpad.

Spam clicking is surprisingly not-easy on that thing.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 09:02:23 am »
Hmm, alright, I have a suspicion about the cause of this now.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 09:37:23 am »
Heh, good thing I set my left click to turbo. It also happens to almost exactly match the rate of fire of a gatling (12.5 per second I believe).

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2014, 10:00:58 am »
Heyo, I noticed a few things.

1. On a low end machine, while holding click it is very erratic. The timings don't seem to be matching the animations, and the animations stutter. Please consider decoupling the animation with the actual effect.

2. The animation tends to start very slowly, doing the hits as slow as before, and after 1-3 hits starts being fast.

3. I did notice that when it goes fast, it is noticeably faster than before, so thats at least an improvement.

4. I would very much like a solution to spam clicking...I really dislike spam clicking. I'd also like all guns to be automatic but that's another discussion.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2014, 03:20:58 pm »
4. I would very much like a solution to spam clicking...I really dislike spam clicking. I'd also like all guns to be automatic but that's another discussion.
I'll have to agree with you there. You sorta need to spam click to rebuild optimally and if you're not using a macro or have a turbo set-up your fingers are gonna get sore after awhile from all that clicking. This problem also happens to apply to guns which fires on click instead of auto but panda is right, that's a problem for later.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2014, 03:09:46 pm »
On last Fireside Chat Howard confirmed that this bug is fixed in DevApp.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 04:13:49 pm »
I just now remembered I have some numbers here from holding down the repair and from spamming it, thought I'll share.
(done with recordings and frame counting + good averages)

spamming - 0.77s
holding - 0.842s

9.35% slower to use holding.

Might not be a lot, but I think that a lot of people already got used to spamming it(me for example), and thus, will not get used to a new way that makes the repairs slower.

The 9.35% slower rate is multiplied in extreme cases and can cause even a 1.5-2 seconds delay, which, for everyone who have been playing the game a lot, we can say that sometimes those 2 seconds are the deciding factor on if you live or die.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2014, 04:15:54 pm »
When I hold down the mouse button now, the speed lags at first then seems to catch up to the speed of spamclicking.  I haven't timed it but there's a definite pause at the beginning of the rebuild/buff when holding down the button.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2014, 04:56:55 pm »
Turned out to be an issue that didn't show up in testing because this latest issue only occurs when you have a bit of jitter in your connection. Should be fixed next patch.

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2014, 04:58:56 pm »
Woohoo!  Thanks!  I worry that I'm causing repetitive stress injuries for the sake of saving a second in critical moments in combat.  xD

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Re: Rebuild Speed is still faster when spamming left click!
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2014, 09:27:28 pm »
So this mean people can't ab-use turbo on their clickies? No more pro-rebuiling techniques? Finally Engi equality/11!!