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Main => Gameplay => Topic started by: hatstand on May 28, 2015, 07:53:10 pm
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seems like a hard counter and bad game design
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Spin cannon? You mean the minotaur?
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Spin cannon? Does he mean gatling? Or minotaur?
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Spin cannon? You mean the minotaur?
I don't' know what the nerd name for it is. I do know the devs thought "let's make a dumb gimmick cannon that causes spin"
and then really badly implemented it. Worthless against almost all the ships, hard counter against 1 of them.
If you can't figure out which gun I'm talking about just from the above sentence and the word "spin" you definitely aren't good enough to address my question.
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I have more games ad a competitive pilot/engineer than you likely have in total, so if you would like an informed answer, I'll gladly give you one, but I don't appreciate random hostility
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I have more games ad a competitive pilot/engineer than you likely have in total, so if you would like an informed answer, I'll gladly give you one, but I don't appreciate random hostility
Well congrats it sounds like you've played a lot of games poorly and I've played a few games a lot better than you'll ever play. You came in here and gave a effortless smart ass response and you looked silly for it.
If you actually had any real knowledge you would have answered my question by now
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SOMEONE ONE HOLD ME BACK
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*Grabs Logic's arms.*
Logic, if you'll excuse me for this temporary assumption of power...
Hatstand, I advise you to *cough* stand down, and give us a straight answer.
Unless you're trolling, in which case this belongs in the Pit.
If not, I'd love to give you some rather helpful advice. I can think of three strategies to help with your problem. However, if you don't simmer down, I can't help you.
If you have a look at DJ Logicalia's name, then move your eyes down a bit, you'll see the words "Community Ambassador" in bright yellow text. This means that Logic is a volunteer that helps out in the community, and that it's generally a good idea to listen to what he has to say.
tl;dr Be nice.
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*Grabs Logic's arms.*
Logic, if you'll excuse me for this temporary assumption of power...
Hatstand, I advise you to *cough* stand down, and give us a straight answer.
Unless you're trolling, in which case this belongs in the Pit.
If not, I'd love to give you some rather helpful advice. I can think of three strategies to help with your problem. However, if you don't simmer down, I can't help you.
yea I looked at it. It's called the minotaur. It can shoot across the entire map and with lesmok rounds it goes 600m/s (not that 350 wouldn't be easy to hit).
The galleon has to slowly set up broadsides. It seems that any other ship with the minotaur can easily turn off the galleon.
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Using kerosene or moonshine reduces spin. The reload is a substantial 9 seconds. Use phoenix claw to turn faster.
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Strategy 1:
Using kerosene or moonshine reduces spin. The reload is a substantial 9 seconds.
Strategy 2:
Use Phoenix Claw (pilot tool, looks like a chicken foot) to spin the ship back.
EDIT: Oop, nope, BlackenedPies edited his post to say that too.
Strategy 3:
Put a Mercury Field Gun (sniper rifle) on the port side light gun mount and snipe out the Minotaur before it can spin you around.
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"Spin Cannon"
Sounds like something from Dragon Ball.
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It's a pretty easy gun to out range after the last patch but for sure broadside ships like the galleon and junker feel the spin more then most ships as the spin increases when shots connect further away from a ships center of gravity. Not only does kerosene and moonshine reduce spin but charging with those tools should force them to hit your front rather then your sides resulting in even less spin. Galleon is a heavy ship and fast once it gets rolling so if you have to opening up with a ram isn't terrible. Just make sure you aren't leaving your ally behind to fight a 2v1 because you're getting frustrated
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I'm confused as to what ship has the minotaur that you are facing in a galleon, other than another galleon.
A minotaur on a fish is relatively weak, just persist through it and broadside them with some hwachas. One on a spire might be more troublesome, but same deal. TBH the only trouble I've had with a minotaur is on a junker vs. a hwacha/taur galleon broadside. Definitely need more information about the situation to help with strategies.
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Mousewheel/Center click me.
(http://aspectphotography.net/ballyvolane/images/cine2.gif) (https://youtu.be/PGNiXGX2nLU?t=39s)
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If the intention of the thread is solely to complain about the Minotaur, I guess there is little value in discussing how to beat it.
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When the minotaur was first released it was amazingly overpowered. They did some big scale backs to where it is now. Initially decried at being too big a nerf I am seeing the gun used more and more often to great affect.
You are definitely right that it can completely dominate a galleon if given the chance. The main balance of the mino is its difficult to use (invisible slow shot). Galleon being slow and fat though negates this. I am unsure if I'd call it completely unbalanced or even hard counter, but it definitely does work as a counter to the Galleon. There is merit to this conversation, but love of God, watch the high horse.
BTW, it certainly aint useless against Junkers and Mobulas.
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If the intention of the thread is solely to complain about the Minotaur, I guess there is little value in discussing how to beat it.
I agree with Zanc...
I also think the original poster should return to Call of duty and play games that don't make him.cry when one of the least effective guns in the game makes him cry like a baby.
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Umm...you do know you have pilots tools to counter these right?
Mino is annoying but extremely easy to counter. The original version was much better but people bitched and got it nerfed. Now no one uses it cept people who don't know better.
Short answer is proper use of pilot tools...long answer is pilot tools +"awareness man!" Don't put yourself in a galleon broadside!! I tell this time and time again to new players every sale...learn the firing arcs and don't sit in galleon broadsides but 9/10 they still fly up and sit there as if the galleon crew is going to wave hi and throw them flowers.
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*snip* ...as if the galleon crew is going to wave hi and throw them flowers.
Though that would be kinda nice for once.
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Spin cannon "hard counter to galleon"
It seems that any other ship with the minotaur can easily turn off the galleon.
overly aggressive pre-teen insulting randoms
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I love feeding trolls
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Well I would politely explain that moonshine and kerosene are an effective counter to the minotaur. The mino does very little actual damage, its main virtue is inducing ship rotation, since kero and shine increase angular drag if you pulse them as you are being shot you can resist the weapons only significant deleterious effect. The mino is widely considered underpowered by most of the vet community.
I would put things this way, but instead I'm going to channel my inner Ceresbane because the OP is an ass. So listen skippy, we cant answer your question unless you use words people can understand. Your inability to communicate isn't a reflection of anyone's capabilities other than you own. Capabilities that have been found severely wanting. Your piloting abilities are clearly not up to snuff either. If you are so skilled why the hell was your first thought not to counter this with moonshine or kero? All the top tier pilots worked out how to counter that thing the week it came out.
But let's be honest, you didn't start this thread because you genuinely want to know how to counter the mino. If you did you wouldn't refer to the correct terminology for the weapons in the game as the 'nerd' names. You aren't actually intellectually curious, and lets be honest, that isn't specific to GoI, but is a universal attribute of yours. You didn't even start this thread to complain about how it is OP. You started this thread because you don't know how to properly process your anger, probably a results of childhood trauma, possibly ongoing, and you wanted your anger validated. Those close to you haven't taught you how to be a decent, reasonable human being who shows others respect, likely because they aren't themselves, and so you lash out at others. If your actions weren't detrimental to those around you it would be sad, almost tragic. As it is it is simply pathetic.
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Not the hero we thought we needed, but the hero we actually needed.
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To be perfectly honest, I thought the OP was talking about the Banshee when I first read the title. The Banshee can seem overpowered against Galleons to the inexperienced due to its arcs and fire ability.
Also, my LeMoon senses are tingling. I think a lock is near.
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Well I would politely explain that moonshine and kerosene are an effective counter to the minotaur. The mino does very little actual damage, its main virtue is inducing ship rotation, since kero and shine increase angular drag if you pulse them as you are being shot you can resist the weapons only significant deleterious effect. The mino is widely considered underpowered by most of the vet community.
I would put things this way, but instead I'm going to channel my inner Ceresbane because the OP is an ass. So listen skippy, we cant answer your question unless you use words people can understand. Your inability to communicate isn't a reflection of anyone's capabilities other than you own. Capabilities that have been found severely wanting. Your piloting abilities are clearly not up to snuff either. If you are so skilled why the hell was your first thought not to counter this with moonshine or kero? All the top tier pilots worked out how to counter that thing the week it came out.
But let's be honest, you didn't start this thread because you genuinely want to know how to counter the mino. If you did you wouldn't refer to the correct terminology for the weapons in the game as the 'nerd' names. You aren't actually intellectually curious, and lets be honest, that isn't specific to GoI, but is a universal attribute of yours. You didn't even start this thread to complain about how it is OP. You started this thread because you don't know how to properly process your anger, probably a results of childhood trauma, possibly ongoing, and you wanted your anger validated. Those close to you haven't taught you how to be a decent, reasonable human being who shows others respect, likely because they aren't themselves, and so you lash out at others. If your actions weren't detrimental to those around you it would be sad, almost tragic. As it is it is simply pathetic.
Slow clap and salute. I didn't know if he meant a gun that spins, the gatling, or the gun that spins you, the minotaur.
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So listen skippy,
You didn't even start this thread to complain about how it is OP. You started this thread because you don't know how to properly process your anger, probably a results of childhood trauma, possibly ongoing, and you wanted your anger validated. Those close to you haven't taught you how to be a decent, reasonable human being who shows others respect, likely because they aren't themselves, and so you lash out at others. If your actions weren't detrimental to those around you it would be sad, almost tragic. As it is it is simply pathetic.
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But let's be honest, you didn't start this thread because you genuinely want to know how to counter the mino. If you did you wouldn't refer to the correct terminology for the weapons in the game as the 'nerd' names. You aren't actually intellectually curious, and lets be honest, that isn't specific to GoI, but is a universal attribute of yours. You didn't even start this thread to complain about how it is OP. You started this thread because you don't know how to properly process your anger, probably a results of childhood trauma, possibly ongoing, and you wanted your anger validated. Those close to you haven't taught you how to be a decent, reasonable human being who shows others respect, likely because they aren't themselves, and so you lash out at others. If your actions weren't detrimental to those around you it would be sad, almost tragic. As it is it is simply pathetic.
(http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/slow_clap_citizen_kane.gif)
Do you want to get salutes?
'Cause that's how.
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Ok. I'll do some testing with the angular drag boost options. Thanks for the tip.
I tend to think it's very poorly balanced just like most of muses fail design process.
Well I would politely explain that moonshine and kerosene are an effective counter to the minotaur. The mino does very little actual damage, its main virtue is inducing ship rotation, since kero and shine increase angular drag if you pulse them as you are being shot you can resist the weapons only significant deleterious effect. The mino is widely considered underpowered by most of the vet community.
I would put things this way, but instead I'm going to channel my inner Ceresbane because the OP is an ass. So listen skippy, we cant answer your question unless you use words people can understand. Your inability to communicate isn't a reflection of anyone's capabilities other than you own. Capabilities that have been found severely wanting. Your piloting abilities are clearly not up to snuff either. If you are so skilled why the hell was your first thought not to counter this with moonshine or kero? All the top tier pilots worked out how to counter that thing the week it came out.
But let's be honest, you didn't start this thread because you genuinely want to know how to counter the mino. If you did you wouldn't refer to the correct terminology for the weapons in the game as the 'nerd' names. You aren't actually intellectually curious, and lets be honest, that isn't specific to GoI, but is a universal attribute of yours. You didn't even start this thread to complain about how it is OP. You started this thread because you don't know how to properly process your anger, probably a results of childhood trauma, possibly ongoing, and you wanted your anger validated. Those close to you haven't taught you how to be a decent, reasonable human being who shows others respect, likely because they aren't themselves, and so you lash out at others. If your actions weren't detrimental to those around you it would be sad, almost tragic. As it is it is simply pathetic.
tl:dr. look nerd. I have the utmost respect for failed social science majors like yourself but when you type that many words you've already lost.
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You went from almost nice...
To straight-up rude.
You let your emotions control your speech, sir.
We don't appreciate being insulted as 'nerds.'
Heck, I prefer being my usual jolly self.
However, I'm tempted to round up everyone on this thread and send a couple of Minofish, Minospires, and dual Minotaur Galleon broadsides in your general direction.
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It'll take to long........keep him busy and strip his hull. I'll be ready on the Heavy Flak.
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I was thinking we could just test him to see if he paid any attention to what we were saying.
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Why is there no 1 finger salute button below the standard one?
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I was thinking we could just test him to see if he paid any attention to what we were saying.
Really? I just want to introduce this guy to some loch mines now.
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Enough berating everyone.
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tl:dr. look nerd.
Dude, you're posting about game balance on an online forum for an indie game set in a steam punk setting.
I think its safe to say that makes you as much a nerd as the rest of us.
Now look as I was telling someone earlier today, Muse is possibly the most in touch with their community as any game devs have ever been. If you feel a weapon is poorly designed you can have two things, a frank discussion about it, and assurances that well founded concerns will be considered. However if you're real goal is to troll, surely there are better places for that.
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What I would like to have now, is for all you low life, sweaty, steam punk sweathogs to stop typing in your mother's basements and pay attention to the OP's point. Maybe you dumb social science rejects will be able to summarize your thoughts in less than 2500 words, or do you need a doctoral dissertation to explain why you wipe your disgusting butt juice with your left hand instead of your right. 8)
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^Ouch. That stings.
I did look at Hatstand's post, and I did suggest some solutions. But then... The rudeness erupted once more.
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^Ouch. That stings.
I did look at Hatstand's post, and I did suggest some solutions. But then... The rudeness erupted once more.
Listen Koala, you say one thing and seem to do another.
I'm a guy that apprecaiates people that get things done. For all intensive purposes, complaining about the rudeness is the least of your abilities.
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Please keep on topic and maintain a measure of civility. This thread's intention is to discuss the application and balances of the Minotaur gun and how to counteract it with ships like the galleon - anything else unrelated to this topic should either be in a new/different thread or should not be posted at all if there is nothing constructive to add to this discussion :)
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And yet another who I would like to introduce to a loch mine. Buddy, if you bothered to graduate 1st grade you could read what they wrote. They did offer solutions, which were promptly met with general jackassery. You can act like a mature human being, or continue being a CoD reject. And if you can't read that many words in one post, then I feel sorry for your kindergarten teacher. It must suck having to have held you back all these years.
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^Ouch. That stings.
I did look at Hatstand's post, and I did suggest some solutions. But then... The rudeness erupted once more.
Listen Koala, you say one thing and seem to do another.
I'm a guy that apprecaiates people that get things done. For all intensive purposes, complaining about the rudeness is the least of your abilities.
*intents and purposes*
I'm confused... I say one thing and do another? Don't get me wrong, I'm genuinely curious. What do you mean?
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Read the mod post. Then stop.
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