Guns Of Icarus Online
Community => Community Events => Topic started by: ZeckPressStart on March 19, 2014, 05:50:49 am
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Hello so I've gone ahead and updated everything. I'm also posting all the details here. If you want you can go over to the site to see that these are both exactly the same. you can view this on the site if you would like here:
http://pscofficial.com/forum/index.php?page=topicview&id=psc-official-events%2Fguns-of-icarus
Other wise just read whats here.
Currently we have 5 confirmed teams with a 6th in the process. The details I have are listed here on the public forum on the site if you would like to see:
http://pscofficial.com/forum/index.php?page=topicview&id=psc-official-events%2Fcurrent-participating&post_id=385&redirected=1#post_385
Tournament Signups are open till April 30th. The tournament will be at least an 8 team double elimination tournament.
Matches will be run team Vs Team 2v2 deathmatch battles. Battles will run for 30 minutes and must have a minimum of 3 points earned before one can be called a winner. If after 30 minutes the game is tied or three kills have not happened yet then the match will be restarted on a new map and first kill wins.
Signing up
- Send an email or reply on this forum with your team name and crew mates.
- If your applying as a four person crew list your four crew members.
- If applying solo just state this on the post. Current teams will be posted separately on a new topic.
- To email signup with questions please contact GOI@PSCOfficial.com
- Please identify if any crew or team mates do not have a copy of the game we have limited keys and participation does not guarantee a copy of the game. All keys are provided by Muse and as such are subject to them providing the keys.
Charity
- This event's charity of choice is Child's Play.
- Ad revenue earned from the youtube videos will be donated by PSC.
- Viewers can also take part in the charity in more then one way.
- Through direct donation link on the the youtube videos.
- Take part in Raffles to earn prizes. Raffle tickets sell 5 for $1.
- At the start the split will be 50/50 with half going to the charity and half going to a prize pool for the champion ship team.
- Once the Champion pool prize hits $100 the split will change to 15/85.
- The winning team can choose as a team to either get actual prizes or to donate their prize pool to Child's Play in their own name.
- Viewers also participate in the charity solely by watching and sharing any match thus increasing views and ad revenue.
Schedule
- Matches will begin scheduling May 1st and the first match will air on www.Youtube.com/user/PressStartCommunity on May 19th
- This gives us three weeks to schedule the first matches. This allows for flexibility of the matches
- After the matches a short post match interview with the hosts. This is more for the fans. We will not discuss tactics but more about how did you felt about how the match went.
- Final match is planned to be Live streamed on twitch the week of 17 to 23rd of August. Depending on how quickly we can record all 13 prior matches there could be a long period of not playing before the final match.
Match Details
- Teams are 2 ship crews. Each crew has a captain as well as a team lead. Captain does not have to be the pilot.
- No restrictions on ships, equipment or crew layout. Crew Choice.
- Matches are 1 team v 1 team on 2 ship v 2 ship Death Match battles. maps and color is randomized.
- Matches will span 30 Minutes.
- A match must have 3 points in some manner before any team can be called a winner.
- If less then 3 ships are destroyed or if a tie takes place a Sudden Death match will take place
- Sudden death matches:
- No time limit
- first kill wins
- teams can switch ships and equipment from first match.
- Crew members must stay on same crew.
- map will be changed to Dunes first otherwise if that was the previous map it will change to labyrinth. These maps are very different and offer the best chance to change the dynamic and put an end to the tie.
Crew Backups and Replacements
- One backup player can be crewed to your team. This backup player can switch with any player and any player can be switched out for this backup.
- Only one replacement can be done during the event. If a player is replaced that new player permanently takes the old players spot.
- This is reset upon your first loss. If you lose once before using your replacement you can replace the one other player once at any time. For a total of two replacements throughout event
- After the second replacement no more changes can be made to the team without host approval
- Backups and Replacements must either have or acquire the game themselves. No keys will be provided for backups or replacements.
Other Rules and Recordings
- Be respectful to other players
- This is meant to be a fun event more focused on exposing the game, Child's Play and the Players and less focused on just winning.
- HAVE FUN AND BE A GOOD SPORT. Play to enjoy not to just win.
- No information regarding future match lineups or scores can be posted anywhere.
- Anyone participating in the event can not purchase tickets yet however are allowed to donate directly to Child's Play.
- Placing tickets on a match is allowed up to Tuesday 11pm EST this is before the second half of the match goes up.
- If players wish to record during a match for a personal video please adhere to the following rules:
- video can be no longer then 9 minutes (it is recommended to stay around 7 minutes)
- Video can only be a highlight reel and should not contain long clips.
- Scores must be either cropped out or obstructed in some way.
- video of the match can only be posted one week after the match has been public on PSC Channel.
- A link to the full Match on the PSC Channel must be in the description of the video.
- Please make sure to mention the event and the charity either in the video or in the description.
- A link to the Guns of Icarus Online game on Steam in the description.
- (NOT REQUIRED) It would be nice to stand with PSC on the charity part of this event and to also forward any ad revenue to the Child's Play.
Questions
Please forward all questions to the GOI questions forum or send an email at GOI@PSCOfficial.com
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Who are you and what's the Press Start Community?
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Okay, when we click that link it takes us to a registration page. Could you please tell us about your group and what you are?
When you say backed by Muse Games, what does that mean? Does it mean you emailed Bubbles and he said it sounds like fun, or does that mean you're going on the website? Could a Dev help out here?
Child's Play is an amazing charity. We're a great community, and we've been successful in the past for raising money for a kickstarter, but not for a charity yet. It sounds like a terrific idea, and it's great of you to get the ball rolling. Having said that, I don't think any of the teams would rather take half the prize money for themselves rather than dedicate it all to Child's Play - so you might want to look at that part of your pitch again.
Would you please tell us about you and your group? I will admit it makes me nervous that you only have 26 members.
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http://www.childsplaycharity.org/events/2014/04
your event is not yet listed ?
'I don't think any of the teams would rather take half the prize money for themselves rather than dedicate it all to Child's Play'
i'd never take candy from a baby
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They are being endorsed in that they gave them prizes and an interview.
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“Guest” does not have access to the zone site.
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I love how I can't do anything on your website or check any legitimity about your cause for doing something for charity only if I register.
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I love how I can't do anything on your website or check any legitimity about your cause for doing something for charity only if I register.
Yeah, thats why this smells like a scam. Sorry if its not. But forcing people to join a site to find out more info on it just raises that question. If you are trying to get this exposure then you are wanting it to be public accessible. No way I'm going to join a site I don't know just to see.
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I love how I can't do anything on your website or check any legitimity about your cause for doing something for charity only if I register.
Yeah, thats why this smells like a scam. Sorry if its not. But forcing people to join a site to find out more info on it just raises that question. If you are trying to get this exposure then you are wanting it to be public accessible. No way I'm going to join a site I don't know just to see.
Apparently it's not, but hopefully Keyvias or someone will post about that.
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They are apparently working on getting a sponsor for the whole thing as well...
Here is a link to a quick doc of it since there are no spoiler tags on the forums yet, and I don't want to clutter the thread.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xv2baW92uO-9BhTxF4XeLK9pUJBSZqvUD7boEESangs/
15min games, that's going to be rough.
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Alright that helps. Really we should have seen that to start. 15 mins will be interesting to see as it may finally shake things up enough to get rid of the silly meta.
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asked keyvias, its legit, they made a interview and got some prizes
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Apparently it's not, but hopefully Keyvias or someone will post about that.
I emailed Keyvias and he confirmed that they are legitimately trying to set up a tournament. You will have a lot of work trying to coordinate your tournament schedule with the schedules of the existing organisers: cesports and the rob and dan show as well as fitting in with times that clans will be available but I wish you the best of luck.
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Ok for some reason I have gotten no emails to these posts here! I'm sorry I haven't been back here to answer questions. Press Start Community is a new gaming community that will have it's own youtube channel for events and situations all about promoting gaming and those who participate in the events. It's also about promoting good sportsmanship and friendly gaming. As for the site unfortunately it's in beta and not everything has been tested yet. I'll see what i can do as to getting it public. As for the child's play charity website I'm working with them to see how to put the event on their page seeing as the event will take place over 15 weeks on the PSC youtube channel. I'm sorry if this seemed like a scam for a second however I promise this is not.
Bubbles as well as Matt have both given PSC the ok and have provided keys and Avatar items as well as provide raffle prizes. We will also have an interview up on the PSC channel on Youtube once it launches later this week. As for the half going to proceeds and the other half being used to get a gift for the winning team if the crew mates of the winning team choose to donate their prize to child's play it will be done in their name. I will leave that up to the winners however I did want to try and at least offer a prize to the winning team.
For the site feel free to register if you want. I will work on fixing it today and getting a public listing for this information. I will probably switch it to a forum instead of news post which the forums are accessible to guests. The website has only been open for less then a week and this has helped me to find some bugs so thanks for everyone for trying to check it out. If you have any other problems or questions feel free to email me directly at zeck@pscofficial.com
Thanks to everyone who has helped to verify this event! I just really want this event to go well since I am very excited about this game and I want to do right by it I've been very busy with it. I'll come back with an update once I either fix the old link or come back with a better link.
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Ok I am unable to open the original post without making large scale changes so here is a link to a forum post I created that is open to the public and no registration needed to view the details.
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They are apparently working on getting a sponsor for the whole thing as well...
Here is a link to a quick doc of it since there are no spoiler tags on the forums yet, and I don't want to clutter the thread.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xv2baW92uO-9BhTxF4XeLK9pUJBSZqvUD7boEESangs/
15min games, that's going to be rough.
15 minute games is the plan so far i've had matches last longer and also shorter depending on the teams. I'll be running open optional skirmishes this week and next to test this and see if this time limit is good or bad. The idea is to get a good youtube video that isn't too long but doesn't have tons of jumps. I'll be testing this and possibly adjusting this if necessary...
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I am... very concerned about the presence of cash prizes (and betting). They can potentially do bad things to the spirit of a game once they're added. Am I the only one that feels this way?
Extrisnic motivation like this can actually make something you enjoy doing a lot less fun. It's a well-studied and documented effect.
p.s. charity is awesome, don't get me wrong. The ratio is just kind of low IMO.
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I am... very concerned about the presence of cash prizes (and betting). They can potentially do bad things to the spirit of a game once they're added. Am I the only one that feels this way?
Extrisnic motivation like this can actually make something you enjoy doing a lot less fun. It's a well-studied and documented effect.
p.s. charity is awesome, don't get me wrong. The ratio kind of bothers me, though.
Sorry more clarification no cash prizes due to age restrictions and countries. The prizes will be more like either steam gift cards or tangible item other then cash. This also prevents the negative aspects that can arise from cash betting. As for the ratio of 50/50 right now, this is only in case of low participation. If the event gets the exposure I hope it does the ratio will update and more will go to Child's play. I'm hoping to earn at last $25 per player in the team. Once we at least have that then the ratio will change to 85% to child's play. There will be no cash available to win just raffling based on teams. you get 5 tickets for a dollar and can put a ticket in each team if you wish for $6 you can have a ticket on each team in each match and be in each raffle. Items you can win include game keys, in game avatar items and I'm working on getting more such as steam gift cards and such. I'm working very hard to do what i can to reward the viewers as well as the players.
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I have to agree, while our tournaments have always had prizes, for instance costumes or badges attached to them. We have never actually competed for actual cash, costumes and badges are not very substantial and are freely given through certain events.
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I have to agree, while our tournaments have always had prizes, for instance costumes or badges attached to them. We have never actually competed for actual cash, costumes and badges are not very substantial and are freely given through certain events.
I agree with you sorry but I didn't want to make a long post so I apparently left out some important details. However please continue to post things so I can help to clarify things.
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guess its just wait for the end product.
problems you will have:
time limit on matches,15 mins means brawl or go 0-0 most likely.
actual event time, if you put it at 4pm EST on a weekday, lots of eu players wont make it due to work the day after, if you put it earlier lots of US players is at work.
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guess its just wait for the end product.
problems you will have:
time limit on matches,15 mins means brawl or go 0-0 most likely.
actual event time, if you put it at 4pm EST on a weekday, lots of eu players wont make it due to work the day after, if you put it earlier lots of US players is at work.
Ah good to know... I was hoping 15 could be enough however now that I think back my matches do take a while... In you opinion what do you feel would be a fair amount of time?
As for scheduling the matches are pre-recorded to allow for flexible scheduling the scheduling will start the last weekend of march and we will have 3 weeks to schedule the matches and take everyone's schedules into consideration.
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Our previous time-limit rules in competitive were around 45 minutes and either led to a conclusion with who won or to a sudden death round.
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Our previous time-limit rules in competitive were around 45 minutes and either led to a conclusion with who won or to a sudden death round.
Thank you I'm curious how do you deal with latency have you ever had any issues with people thinking the latency would cause an advantage? That was the reason for what i was doing two matches with each one being away and home. I could possibly hold a 40 minute match and have each youtube show be 20 minutes with the cliff hanger for the first recording. Thank you, this is the other reason for posting here. Matt told me to post on here once I had an official posting to get help on running the event.
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If you need advice on this stuff, contact Urz, while everyone wants to kill him in-game, he does a pretty damn good job at event organizing events like this.
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I hope I'm answering everyone's questions all right. I hope you'll consider taking part, I'd really like some great teams to help bring in some fans who will help to donate to childs play. Like I said once we get to a certain threshold I will increase the amount. Once we get to a second threshold then I will donate 100% of all future proceeds to childs play. It will all be made public at the end of the event with a public donation to Childs Play including ad revenue from the youtube videos and the proceeds from the raffle tickets. if anyone has any questions let me know. Also i'm running some optional skirmishes randomly to test stuff out and practice flying around in spectator mode. If anyone is on the game and finds a PSC match feel free to join us we could use the practice. This way you can ask me questions directly. I'm about to get on the game in the next couple of minutes
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I'm playing right now with a headset probably for the next hour or so if anyone wants to play with me and ask questions just join the PressStartCommunity Skirmish match i'll be happy to chat.
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Perhaps you should consider hosting a smaller scale tournament first? You're aiming pretty high for a first pitch and you may be disappointed. I think the involvement of money in your pitch for this one is not encouraging for a startup organiser and you will need some practice to avoid technical issues, to get used to the quirks of the game and to establish yourself with the reputation necessary to draw any significant number of participating teams.
Additionally I'd suggest that you'd make all information about your tournament available on this forum. You'll have enough issues trying to organise a tournament with no prior reputation or experience without making potential participants jump through unnecessary additional hoops. It may also be worth looking into streaming via Twitch, whether you look into doing it yourself or contact established casters. A Twitch stream is a pretty standard expectation for any competitive event now.
Finally... well. Even if we ignore the issue with your inexperience: you're too ambitious. To put it simply, competitive GOIO rarely draws any significant attention beyond the teams participating. I'd be highly surprised if any number of people were willing to involve money in the competitive scene. Forget ad revenue. You will not get that many views, you will not become famous. If you do an excellent job, participants will probably be grateful and think more highly of you, and that's about it.
As for the profit sharing with charity, I too don't really see the need for tangible prizes or any kind of money split. Give it all to charity, or better, don't ask people to let you handle their money at all. I would much prefer to see you show a feature on the charity with each match to encourage people to donate directly; that way you aren't casting doubts on your own legitimacy by asking people to give you money, yet will still be supporting a good cause.
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Perhaps you should consider hosting a smaller scale tournament first? You're aiming pretty high for a first pitch and you may be disappointed. I think the involvement of money in your pitch for this one is not encouraging for a startup organiser and you will need some practice to avoid technical issues, to get used to the quirks of the game and to establish yourself with the reputation necessary to draw any significant number of participating teams.
Additionally I'd suggest that you'd make all information about your tournament available on this forum. You'll have enough issues trying to organise a tournament with no prior reputation or experience without making potential participants jump through unnecessary additional hoops. It may also be worth looking into streaming via Twitch, whether you look into doing it yourself or contact established casters. A Twitch stream is a pretty standard expectation for any competitive event now.
Finally... well. Even if we ignore the issue with your inexperience: you're too ambitious. To put it simply, competitive GOIO rarely draws any significant attention beyond the teams participating. I'd be highly surprised if any number of people were willing to involve money in the competitive scene. Forget ad revenue. You will not get that many views, you will not become famous. If you do an excellent job, participants will probably be grateful and think more highly of you, and that's about it.
As for the profit sharing with charity, I too don't really see the need for tangible prizes or any kind of money split. Give it all to charity, or better, don't ask people to let you handle their money at all. I would much prefer to see you show a feature on the charity with each match to encourage people to donate directly; that way you aren't casting doubts on your own legitimacy by asking people to give you money, yet will still be supporting a good cause.
Geeze, being a little bit overly harsh there, aren't we? Something tells me this isn't being done for fame and profit frankly, and it's already been mentioned that cash won't actually be involved because of age restrictions and country regulations.
Yeah, GOIO doesn't draw much in terms of attention or viewership, but we can't just yell at everyone for being a newbie and tell them to go away, never going to grow that way. Yes, I'm sure we were all slightly suspicious upon the first post mentioning money and such, but it seems like this has been someone who has at least thought some of the plans through, has contacted and talked to Muse about it, written up a document for how they want the matches run, and how they plan on showing it of, not just some hodgepodge idea.
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Perhaps you should consider hosting a smaller scale tournament first? You're aiming pretty high for a first pitch and you may be disappointed. I think the involvement of money in your pitch for this one is not encouraging for a startup organiser and you will need some practice to avoid technical issues, to get used to the quirks of the game and to establish yourself with the reputation necessary to draw any significant number of participating teams.
Additionally I'd suggest that you'd make all information about your tournament available on this forum. You'll have enough issues trying to organise a tournament with no prior reputation or experience without making potential participants jump through unnecessary additional hoops. It may also be worth looking into streaming via Twitch, whether you look into doing it yourself or contact established casters. A Twitch stream is a pretty standard expectation for any competitive event now.
Finally... well. Even if we ignore the issue with your inexperience: you're too ambitious. To put it simply, competitive GOIO rarely draws any significant attention beyond the teams participating. I'd be highly surprised if any number of people were willing to involve money in the competitive scene. Forget ad revenue. You will not get that many views, you will not become famous. If you do an excellent job, participants will probably be grateful and think more highly of you, and that's about it.
As for the profit sharing with charity, I too don't really see the need for tangible prizes or any kind of money split. Give it all to charity, or better, don't ask people to let you handle their money at all. I would much prefer to see you show a feature on the charity with each match to encourage people to donate directly; that way you aren't casting doubts on your own legitimacy by asking people to give you money, yet will still be supporting a good cause.
Geeze, being a little bit overly harsh there, aren't we? Something tells me this isn't being done for fame and profit frankly, and it's already been mentioned that cash won't actually be involved because of age restrictions and country regulations.
Yeah, GOIO doesn't draw much in terms of attention or viewership, but we can't just yell at everyone for being a newbie and tell them to go away, never going to grow that way. Yes, I'm sure we were all slightly suspicious upon the first post mentioning money and such, but it seems like this has been someone who has at least thought some of the plans through, has contacted and talked to Muse about it, written up a document for how they want the matches run, and how they plan on showing it of, not just some hodgepodge idea.
Thank your for your help. Yes I know im new and I know im a little inexperienced. At the same time I feel ambition is how new ideas are grown honestly this entire game was a crazy ambition from an amazing team. A team no publisher thought they were worth it but they tried anyway. Im not looking to run the same normal tournament everyone else is doing. I want to do something unique. Instead of a live twitch stream where you only get one angle I want a minor edited show similar to any non esports game is shown. I want to include the ability to drop into the ships crew chat and listen to them. Also your right fixing technical difficulties are an issue as well running this way I can prepare for the planned twitch final championship match.
To clarify im not looking to get famous or popular just build a foundation to grow from. I want to aim for the sky instead of hold myself back. Im hoping a couple teams are willing to give me a chance if not that will be alright i'll make due. I just think this game is amazing and I want to have a real fun event. I want to earn money for charity as well as ensure a prize is available IF the winning team wants one. A thanks for participating and winning. The other reason. For the ticket raffles via the psc website is also so I don't cross the line for both you tube and twitches give away policies. Example in order to give something away on twitch the winner has to be in the united states and over the age of 18 as I've been told.
Holding the raffles on the website and not mentioning any prizes or anything during any of the videos removes the connection from youtube and twitch and allows us to give away whatever prizes we want according to local and international laws instead of the very strict guidelines enforced by these companies due to others abusing the systems. I've thought that part through and thus why I tried this. All money earned via tickets will be listed on the site with a public donation to child's play to ensure im not doing anything odd or suspicious. This is also another way im trying to build reputation so this doesn't become a problem next time. I understand the way im doing things will not create an amazing amount of money but I gotta start somewhere.
As for ad revenue I do not expect much from ad revenue that is why im giving it all to child's play. This is my way of trying to show im not doing this for money im doing it because I enjoy this game and want to create an interesting series. I don't plan to fail but if I do at least I tried something and didn't just follow the crowd and create the same thing. Ihope some of you will give me a chance I already have 5 and a half full teams I just need two full teams and one more crew of 4. I even have some solo players who wish to join some partial teams as well. So I have an event how good it will go depends on the teams.
Thank you for reading i hope you'll excuse my noobism lol im just a passionate gamer who wants to create something unique for this unique game... im sorry if you think im doing something wrong. Ps I wrote this on my phone so please excuse any grammar problems lol.
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I really don't want to rain on your parade, but here goes.
-This is event is both short notice and not properly organized. Even signing up on your site and reading the details, there's still a lot of "maybes". (prizes, betting, etc). A lot of the information seems geared at the PS community, mostly giving away keys and such so they can participate.
-Who's participating? As far as I can tell, there's no roster of current signed up teams. Often seeing others signed up will encourage teams to sign up themselves.
-How are you getting attention for it? Right now there's just this forum post. Most of the GoIO community doesn't check the forums, so you're going to need to spend some time in game if you want to get more players interested. And you're going to have to convince them to sign up to your site to view the information and then email you their team information. That's actually asking quite a lot of the average gamer.
-When is this happening? Days, times, etc. People are going to have a hard time committing to a tournament/event when they don't know when it's happening. What if it conflicts with other events?
-How do you 'win' the tournament? Is it point based? You say that it's 2 matches, but that can lead to what we in the industry call 'A Tie' (each team wins a round). Which is often why most competitions do a 'best of 3', which just means someone needs to win twice. Is it single elimination? Double elimination? No elimination?
-The match details. Just a lot wrong here. The creator can set the server if they want to. Otherwise it will auto-set it to what works best for you. 15 minutes of active combat? Please head over to http://cesports.org/matches and watch some of those videos. Matches rarely ever end in 15 minutes. There isn't much need for calling out to their team and the enemy. Or waiting 5 minutes to make sure everyone loads. The game actually does a 30 second or so loading screen to make sure most everyone is ready to go immediately.
-"Drop into ships and listen to crew chat". This can't happen. There's no tools or resources for it. I would recommend spectating some matches to become familiar with how it works, and what you can and can't do. While you can see players on ships, it's difficult to get close ups of them. It's also impossible to listen in to the crew chat. More importantly, most veteran competitive teams use their own voice systems (skype, steam, teamspeak, mumble, etc). So if you ask nicely, this may allow you a way to listen in on them and record. Otherwise you just can't.
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It's mostly a nice idea, and sounds fun, but you really should start smaller. You're trying to pull off a large scale event, and at this rate it's just not going to happen. You don't have the trust of the community, the organizational experience, or fundamental understanding of the game mechanics.
You need to get all of that and more very very soon if this is going to work. ((and it also does seem very super scammy when you put that much emphasis on players giving you cash for the chance at virtual goods and the promise that you'll donate the money to a charity. Is there anything to guarantee this? You really want to build the trust before you start asking for money.))
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I really don't want to rain on your parade, but here goes.
-This is event is both short notice and not properly organized. Even signing up on your site and reading the details, there's still a lot of "maybes". (prizes, betting, etc). A lot of the information ared at the PS community, mostly giving away keys and such so they can participate.
-Who's participating? As far as I can tell, there's no roster of current signed up teams. Often seeing others signed up will encourage teams to sign up themselves.
-How are you getting attention for it? Right now there's just this forum post. Most of the GoIO community doesn't check the forums, so you're going to need to spend some time in game if you want to get more players interested. And you're going to have to convince them to sign up to your site to view the information and then email you their team information. That's actually asking quite a lot of the average gamer.
-When is this happening? Days, times, etc. People are going to have a hard time committing to a tournament/event when they don't know when it's happening. What if it conflicts with other events?
-How do you 'win' the tournament? Is it point based? You say that it's 2 matches, but that can lead to what we in the industry call 'A Tie' (each team wins a round). Which is often why most competitions do a 'best of 3', which just means someone needs to win twice. Is it single elimination? Double elimination? No elimination?
-The match details. Just a lot wrong here. The creator can set the server if they want to. Otherwise it will auto-set it to what works best for you. 15 minutes of active combat? Please head over to http://cesports.org/matches and watch some of those videos. Matches rarely ever end in 15 minutes. There isn't much need for calling out to their team and the enemy. Or waiting 5 minutes to make sure everyone loads. The game actually does a 30 second or so loading screen to make sure most everyone is ready to go immediately.
-"Drop into ships and listen to crew chat". This can't happen. There's no tools or resources for it. I would recommend spectating some matches to become familiar with how it works, and what you can and can't do. While you can see players on ships, it's difficult to get close ups of them. It's also impossible to listen in to the crew chat. More importantly, most veteran competitive teams use their own voice systems (skype, steam, teamspeak, mumble, etc). So if you ask nicely, this may allow you a way to listen in on them and record. Otherwise you just can't.
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It's mostly a nice idea, and sounds fun, but you really should start smaller. You're trying to pull off a large scale event, and at this rate it's just not going to happen. You don't have the trust of the community, the organizational experience, or fundamental understanding of the game mechanics.
You need to get all of that and more very very soon if this is going to work. ((and it also does seem very super scammy when you put that much emphasis on players giving you cash for the chance at virtual goods and the promise that you'll donate the money to a charity. Is there anything to guarantee this? You really want to build the trust before you start asking for money.))
You pose interesting points yet some of these have been answered all ready. However I will answer everything here to make it easy.
I'll be making a post shortly about who is already participating i've been working on confirming one last team. I will put it on both the public accessible forum on the site as well as here.
This event was fairly focused on the press start community since it is a community event. However I didn't want to leave out the GOIO forum or other players. I probably should clear up PSC goals as a site. PSC aims to grow gaming through a friendly community. We hope to grow the number of gamers by providing a welcoming environment for newcomers. This is why the event was first focused on the community giving keys to participants to help grow the guns of icarus online playership. Hope this explains that bit you mentioned
Currently awareness for the event is being spread multiple ways. We don't want to make many announcements too early since the event will not go up to watch till april 21st. Other ways im going to start bringing awareness is with the interview muse gave PSC I'll be using that to make posts around the internet branching out to contact other sites to feature the interview. Also the co-commentator of the event "The Gentleman Gamer" has already made posts about this on their website including a play with bubbles video. From there I also have podcasters Video Game Bang making an announcement about this event. And those are just some small already planned announcements. All participants who have a youtube channel will be announcing their participation in the event. There are more announcements in planning as well ill be posting in other gaming forums and communities. Next topic
I thought I mentioned the time frame already but in case I haven't yet there is no set days for the matches there will be three weeks in advance were we will schedule and record 4 matches. Starting next weekend i will start scheduling the matches working with the teams to allow some flexibility for others. This way it will help to prevent clashing with other events.
As for the matches this has been brought to my attention much earlier in this forum and a change is being made. I will be updating the details on the site soon the new detail is a single 40 minute match winner takes all. Ties will enter a sudden death first kill wins. as for the 5 minute load this was before i tested a little in spectator mode and found you to be correct. I've also thought about that more and have decided that you are correct and it isn't needed. I also found out what you have clarified with tbe servers this originally was something someone else had brought up to me. This was our work around which has since changed. Thus the single match now.
As for drop in chat the gentleman gamer has a dedicated ventrilo server that we will REQUEST others use. It is nit required but by using it better footage and a better event can be done. Using this system and providing each crew with their own channel this will mimic the system used in the game however will allow us to drop in at any time. At the same time if a team or crew does not wish to use ventrilo most of these team chat programs have built in recording systems and they can still choose to record thier in game chat and using editing add that to tbe show. It can be done with participation from the teams.
I really hope this shows I've thought this out a lot. I know im still polishing a little but I am confident ill be ready in time. Ill admit reading these criticisms are tough but im hoping my determination and willingness to adjust will help to show you that I will no allow myself to fail muse. Keep the criticisms coming! :-)
As for the charity sketchy bit the entire event will also have the ability to donate directly to child's play as well for those who do not care for the raffle or do not trust PSC with handling the money. It has been shown that when you include the ability to win something or just provide involvement in something people are more interested and also more likely to donate more then normal. I have a question for you all. Have you ever took part in a real life charity event? A raffle event at a business or location that isn't run by the charity directly. Have you ever put cash into the donation bin at a store? Hagee you ever made a donation to a charity to a third party person or business. You do that without any proof of trust that they give every penny of your donation to the charity. The thing is I've told muse in emails what I plan to do. If I fail to give child's play the money I am legally liable under fraud. I need go earn the trust of people some way however the way you earn trust is by being given a little at first. There will be a direct link to the child's play donation and if no one does the ticket raffle bit and all donate directly I won't care in the least and nothing will get raffled that way. Ill find another way in that case. This is something im offering to viewers if the choose to participate otherwise they can donate directly. I hope this clears up any confusion. With the charity im trying things and offering the chance for people to give us trust so we can then earn it. If people choose to not trust us in that way yet then that is fine.
Ps I have started playing I the game mentioning the event recently to build awareness as well.
Any more feedback? This is a very hard learning process but im determined and willing to learn.
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Well, here is what I see. First, the first post has to be updated with the current information. That means all the information, organized in a clean and clear manner. No one is going to want to sign up to your website. I know you can't modify it now but a CA or MOD can help with that if you ask.
Your going to need the "big three" to really have a successful event. Those being the Merry Men, Ducks and Gentlemen. We are a small but robust community and we talk to each other about these sort of things. You need the big guys to get rolling, but you're not going to get them until we can see what we are getting into without having to jump through hoops.
Finally, in reference to your last post, there is no way we are hopping into a foreign ventrilo or sharing recordings of our communication and tactics to the public and enemy clans.
I do absolutely love more publicity and interest put into GOIO's e-sport. But we act and compete as professionals, and we expect this to be presented as such.
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Well, here is what I see. First, the first post has to be updated with the current information. That means all the information, organized in a clean and clear manner. No one is going to want to sign up to your website. I know you can't modify it now but a CA or MOD can help with that if you ask.
Your going to need the "big three" to really have a successful event. Those being the Merry Men, Ducks and Gentlemen. We are a small but robust community and we talk to each other about these sort of things. You need the big guys to get rolling, but you're not going to get them until we can see what we are getting into without having to jump through hoops.
Finally, in reference to your last post, there is no way we are hopping into a foreign ventrilo or sharing recordings of our communication and tactics to the public and enemy clans.
I do absolutely love more publicity and interest put into GOIO's e-sport. But we act and compete as professionals, and we expect this to be presented as such.
Hm you bring up a good point I never though of with the recording of voices or dropping I to chat... I didn't think of that. That is a good point I will considler removing that idea. Thank you for pointing that out. As for updating the original post I will try to get in touch with a mod when I finish typing up the updated details. Thanks for the information I was trying to think of how I was to update the original post to show the changes and the open link.
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I wouldn't say you need 'the big three' to have a successful event, but rather it's a sign that an event is successful if those clans do participate (they and others try to participate in all the events).
It seems there's a larger focus on getting players to raffle (donate money) and watch, as opposed to the tournament itself. It's always been difficult to get people interested in competitions when they're not actively participating. If you could accomplish that, I would be very impressed. Very likely it will be hard to get a lot of GoIO community interested in paying attention to it if the bigger clans aren't participating. Not a lot of people are going to place bets on a collection of novices.
Since the sign up deadline is closing fast, you should do your best to solidify tournament details and get that information out there; as well as getting teams to sign up. I believe the time this event begins is around the conclusion of the Sky League, so you might have some difficulty with that.
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I'm certain all this criticsm is aimed at helping you make best tournament you can. We cartainly apreciate you effort, and interest.
Generaly events are scheduled at least 3 weeks in advance and set on Saturdays&Sundays (comunity is relatively evenly spread over the world it seems). As suggested you can ask Urz for advice on running competitive events, becouse he is the most experienced in this regard (he is running a tournament event that will be spread over a month or so and will start this weekend) - if you want to fun it on weekends, you'll have to coordinate with Urz, becouse he runs weekly mini events (Saturday Box Social, and The Sunday Rumble), so there won't bee scheduling conflicts and all people can join.
Considering the goal is to raie money for donation, and the fact a lot of the casual gaming public doesen't read the forums, you might want to ask Muse to hilight your event in the newsletter (come to think of it they haven made a newsletter in a while, it's a goot time to make a new one :P ).
Also I personaly I'd love to participate, but I don't get the final say in my clan.
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I'm certain all this criticsm is aimed at helping you make best tournament you can. We cartainly apreciate you effort, and interest.
Generaly events are scheduled at least 3 weeks in advance and set on Saturdays&Sundays (comunity is relatively evenly spread over the world it seems). As suggested you can ask Urz for advice on running competitive events, becouse he is the most experienced in this regard (he is running a tournament event that will be spread over a month or so and will start this weekend) - if you want to fun it on weekends, you'll have to coordinate with Urz, becouse he runs weekly mini events (Saturday Box Social, and The Sunday Rumble), so there won't bee scheduling conflicts and all people can join.
Considering the goal is to raie money for donation, and the fact I a lot of the casual gaming public doesen't read the forums, you might want to ask Muse to hilight your event in the newsletter (come to think of it they haven made a newsletter in a while, it's a goot time to make a new one :P ).
Also I personaly I'd love to participate, but I don't get the final say in my clan.
Thank you very much and yes I know this criticism is all designed to help so I want to thank everyone else as well. With everything you guys are telling me im thinking it might be in my best interest to delay the event. Since I am out of state till sunday night I can not post replies or make the necessary adjustments to posts... also with the upcoming Hrs event I feel it might be best to postpone to allow for other teams and clans to have a chance to join. As of now the deadline is no longer valid I will try my best to edit the title of this topic or try to get a hold of a mod to assist me with this.
I again want to thank everyone for all the feedback and help. I really want to make a great event for guns of icarus. Great idea on the newsletter by the way I will mention it to matt the next time I email him.
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There are no big three.
The weekly events of the last months were only permanently visited by one of the big three.
The gents.
The other included clans just made some of those events.
Nothing to blame. Everything has its reasons.
There is a whole bunch of active and great clans out there. The Aerodrome had the gents and the MM. No ducks and it still was an awesome event.
Take the competetive clans into consideration and thats it.
Just to list some:
Rydr, Sir, Thralls, OVW, SAC, BFS and so many others.
They may just make some of the events but they are always up for a surprise.
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Or to list them in full name for your convinience: Ryders (Rydr), Sky Invarind Rhinos (SIR), Glowwater Thralls (GwTh), Overwatch (OVW), Sacrilege (Sac), BlackFlight Squadron(BFS), The Art of War (TAW), Cake (Cake), Crimison Marauders (CsM). there is IRIS clan (I'm sorry I cant remember what your abreviation means). Last event was rounded up by an unafilliated group of players under tag of MERC (as in mercenaries). Plus some competitive clans I havent heard or seen in competitive matches for a while: Polaris (PLRS) - not to be mistaken with youtube MCN Polaris (part of Maker Studios), The Flying Dutchemen (TFD).
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Sky Invarind Rhinos (SIR), The Art of War (TAW), Crimison Marauders (CsM).
Just a couple of corrections: it's Sky-Invading Rhinos, The Art of Warfare, and Crimson Sky Menace.
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Finally some cleanup what csm means :D.
Always confused what it stood for.
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I think Corvus Marauders used to have CSM tag, before we were renamed into Glowwater Thralls, now Crimison Sky Menace took the tag. I appologise for the typo in SIR name, and the errors in TAW and CSM names.
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Ok so I don't see any way to edit this post... I'm going to contact a mod today to see if I can edit this topic or if I should create a new topic. Not sure which would be easier... Hold up for the next update. Thanks for all the info by the way. So I will have an update up shortly or a new topic will arise soon.
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An updated post has been sent to a moderator and should be up eventually. I've skipped linking to the site as the only way to get the info and provided everything to be posted here directly. I have also pushed back the event and everything will be listed on the new post. Thank you everyone for your patience and information! I'm learning a lot. :)
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that's a great improvement, thanks. I would still encourage you to leave out the cash prize. I don't think any team would take the money for themselves so it seems a rather unnecessary choice to offer.
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Ah crud. I forgot to clarify again NO CASH. If the team chooses to get a prize it will be steam gift cards or a tangible item. International laws and even local laws are very difficult with cash. It's a prize pool that can get the team Steam gift cards or a tangible item or they can donate it to Child's Play under their name instead of PSC.
I know it seems unnecessary however I feel odd forcing the winners to donate. I'm pretty confident every team would however I would still like to allow the teams to decide themselves.
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Well this event has been catching my attention since its been published, mainly for the wrong reasons, I'm sorry. Because of the lack of interest I didn't left a comment before but now , that you have something more defined, I fell like showing what my/our concerns are.
Looking at the current list of teams I notice that there's only 3/8 teams left to fill but there's no regulars, which left us concerned. Then after some research I found that almost every player on that list is not sign up into the game, yet.
Then, even if we would like to participate, there's also a competition going on at the moment, The Sky League, in which most of the teams in this game are participating, and its also going to be on the 19th.
But I liked the way you change the structure of the event with the tips of the community. I wish you the best of luck with this event ;)
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Ah crud. I forgot to clarify again NO CASH. If the team chooses to get a prize it will be steam gift cards or a tangible item. International laws and even local laws are very difficult with cash. It's a prize pool that can get the team Steam gift cards or a tangible item or they can donate it to Child's Play under their name instead of PSC.
I know it seems unnecessary however I feel odd forcing the winners to donate. I'm pretty confident every team would however I would still like to allow the teams to decide themselves.
my mistake, I just generally meant putting the money towards the winners. I understand your reasoning although I still respectfully disagree. Competitive teams are interested in any well organised and well presented event, an (insignificant) cash prize would probably mean rather less than the joy and satisfaction of winning (or indeed losing) closely matched games.
and yes, I agree with Allien that with 5 of the team slots filled by total newcomers, your tournament will have issues. If some regular competitive teams do participate a lot of those matches will be total stomps which may make things rather less interesting for everyone involved.
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Holy moly, guys, turn down the dial on the elitism meter...
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Well this event has been catching my attention since its been published, mainly for the wrong reasons, I'm sorry. Because of the lack of interest I didn't left a comment before but now , that you have something more defined, I fell like showing what my/our concerns are.
Looking at the current list of teams I notice that there's only 3/8 teams left to fill but there's no regulars, which left us concerned. Then after some research I found that almost every player on that list is not sign up into the game, yet.
Then, even if we would like to participate, there's also a competition going on at the moment, The Sky League, in which most of the teams in this game are participating, and its also going to be on the 19th.
But I liked the way you change the structure of the event with the tips of the community. I wish you the best of luck with this event ;)
Yes you are right I did not start this topic out right lol I've learned a lot.
As for the event yes i did get a lot of Noobies to start. Like I said I wanted this event to be more about the fun of the game (bring more new players in) and less about the winning and being the best. For you guys here I was hoping to offer more of just a laid back game for you guys to play or if you had new tactics you wanted to test or if you had new clan members that you wanted to get some practice in. This is a casual Tournament that's all. I know getting some of the top players could result in the stomping of the lower players however i just wanted to offer a more casual fun event for everyone here that's all.
As for sky league i thought it was over on April 26th? that's was why i extended the signups till the 30th after the sky league finishes. Did I somehow miss some other event???
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Holy moly, guys, turn down the dial on the elitism meter...
Haha thanks Imagine no worries though I knew i was posting in a place where a lot of high level players were going to see my small little noobie event. I was expecting these kind of posts and readied myself for them. :)
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Holy moly, guys, turn down the dial on the elitism meter...
Haha thanks Imagine no worries though I knew i was posting in a place where a lot of high level players were going to see my small little noobie event. I was expecting these kind of posts and readied myself for them. :)
Well, you shouldn't have to. Most of the people here pride themselves for being a part of a very accepting community and it's been anything but. I'm glad you're able to take it in stride and grab the positive from it, but it's still something that bugged me >_<
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Oh, sorry, that was totally my bad. :)
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Will the matches only be played on DM maps? Or all maps?
Normally I wouldn't recommend Dunes as the tie breaker, as it's one the largest maps and teams can spend a long time playing hide and seek as they snipe at each other. Although if it's newer teams, this probably won't be an issue.
Labyrinth is probably a good choice, and I believe most tournaments in the past use Duel at Dawn because of it's small size. Not a lot of ways to draw a match out.
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Labyrinth? What? The game can take forever, especially if people take a while going back and forth capping at the start, much less turning points in the middle of the game. There's a reason lobbies empty out when Labs comes up.
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*Sorry, I meant Paritan. And I hope he did too. xD
I always end up calling Paritan, Labyrinth. Just sounds better I think.
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Holy moly, guys, turn down the dial on the elitism meter...
Elitism? What is elitist about stating the fact that a tournament between a highly skilled and a generally inexperienced team may not be very interesting? My understanding is that this is a pretty widely accepted fact in all areas of competition.
Now that it's clear the the tournament is intended to be more casual the situation makes slightly more sense. This wasn't at all clear as the OP has expressed an interest in involving the seriously competitive teams and creating videos that are interesting to watch - and the general understanding is that a competitive tournament is going to be, well, competitive. You probably won't think this is very nice but I'm not particularly interested in participating in an event where the majority of teams are hugely inexperienced and have no real interest in or commitment to competitive play.
Perhaps you're right, and there is a certain amount of elitism in competitive play. The object of most tournaments is to find and acknowledge the best teams. Most participants want to be the best and play with the best, and the viewers are watching because they want to see the game's best players face each other down in tense matches. If not, we would all play pub matches, watch pub matches and be happy with it. I don't actually see a problem with that kind of "elitism".
Where elitism is a problem is when people are being refused entry to a group (for instance in this case the competitive scene) because they are not "good enough". This is not that situation. This is a tournament where the majority of teams have no connection with the GOIO community, don't play GOIO actively or competitively and don't have any apparent interest in playing GOIO actively or competitively. I don't grudge them that, but equally I don't think they will be much fun to compete against or have much fun competitive against seasoned competitive players rather than against each other. Mixing these two rather separate casual and competitive communities with different interests and different skill levels into the same tournament does not seem like a good idea to me.
Imagine, you seem to think I am criticising the organisation of this event out of contempt or some delusion of superiority. To clarify: I'd love to see this tournament, or any new event, succeed. However, I don't feel that it necessary to refuse to acknowledge any issue or flaw that the proposal may have. Failing to point these problems out is not going to achieve any kind of resolution.
You have taken offence to the critical feedback being offered in this thread. I would counter that all good feedback on any creation is to some extent critical, because nothing is perfect. It is the unfortunate truth that in the case of a highly inexperienced creator the proportion of criticism must be higher as they have more to learn and more to improve upon.
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Will the matches only be played on DM maps? Or all maps?
Normally I wouldn't recommend Dunes as the tie breaker, as it's one the largest maps and teams can spend a long time playing hide and seek as they snipe at each other. Although if it's newer teams, this probably won't be an issue.
Labyrinth is probably a good choice, and I believe most tournaments in the past use Duel at Dawn because of it's small size. Not a lot of ways to draw a match out.
Duel at dawn right I forgot about that map... I think you may be right in that one. Dune is fairly open and easy to just run from one another... hmm anyone else have any recommendations for tie breaker maps? Im very interested in this I chose dune and lab since dune is a very open map and lab is a very cluttered map. I figured those two will be the best way to offer a change in dynamic from whatever the actual map was which cause the low point score or tie. I was trying to look for a way to completely change the environment forcing the two teams to completely change tactics and possibly end the stalemate
As for the maps as it says in the for posts all maps will be randomly selected from the 2v2 death match battles. No capture matches will be played at least not in this event..
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Labyrinth? What? The game can take forever, especially if people take a while going back and forth camping at the start, much less turning points in the middle of the game. There's a reason lobbies empty out when Labs comes up.
Right camping but that could be a problem in any map can't it. I actually enjoy lab it places a lot of skill on the flying side of the crew needing to work with the pilot to reduce impacts. You can set up ambushes in the buildings as I myself did against bubbles.
I didnt think of camping at start... does any other tournament holder use any type of tactic to prevent this from happening?
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Alot of tournaments showed that Dunes with its low amount of possible cover and especially covered ways to approach an enemy for a bid of distance tends to end in extreme long range battles where it takes quite a while to actually happen.
Duel is the smallest map with alot of cover. Not to many hard cover but enough to get closer and grab an engagement where you can get a benefit. Even against a sniper.
Thats why its probably the best tiebreaker map.
Paritan would work aswell but it can end in drawn out longrange engagements aswell. You can prolong a fight there quite decent.
Same goes for fjords. While you can approach an enemy there its usually the one with crontol of the archway that can decide how the map is played out.
And Canyon has its own issue.
To many clouds in the actual canyon can often lead to both teams going in there and just circling around each other and moving into the enemy spawn without getting a glimpse on each other.
And i wouldnt suggest a CP map like labyrinth for a tie break.
While it defintly forces you to play a different style it can probably prolong a series much harder than a smaller DM map like Duel.
Well the currently run Skyleage are using the same time limit rule the Sunday Rumbles and the Saturday Box Socials used.
You have a 30 minute time limit.
Once that limit exceeds the match is called a draw unless one team has minimum 3 kills.
If this is the case the match goes into overtime.
Overtime means that a 2 minute timer starts. If one ship looses armor the timer is reset 2 two minutes.
That can happen to a max of 15 minutes. In that time any team can grab the win by the usual winning conditions (5 kills).
If that didnt happen or the timer runs out the match will be called by the current score.
While this rule has its own issues and influence on the match a limit is definitly needed.
Else you have matches go for an hour without anything special happening.
You dont have to use that presented rule. But i would suggest you to get a time limit rule into your ruleset when you want to get highlvl or competetive players into your match.
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Holy moly, guys, turn down the dial on the elitism meter...
Elitism? What is elitist about stating the fact that a tournament between a highly skilled and a generally inexperienced team may not be very interesting? My understanding is that this is a pretty widely accepted fact in all areas of competition.
Now that it's clear the the tournament is intended to be more casual the situation makes slightly more sense. This wasn't at all clear as the OP has expressed an interest in involving the seriously competitive teams and creating videos that are interesting to watch - and the general understanding is that a competitive tournament is going to be, well, competitive. You probably won't think this is very nice but I'm not particularly interested in participating in an event where the majority of teams are hugely inexperienced and have no real interest in or commitment to competitive play.
Perhaps you're right, and there is a certain amount of elitism in competitive play. The object of most tournaments is to find and acknowledge the best teams. Most participants want to be the best and play with the best, and the viewers are watching because they want to see the game's best players face each other down in tense matches. If not, we would all play pub matches, watch pub matches and be happy with it. I don't actually see a problem with that kind of "elitism".
Where elitism is a problem is when people are being refused entry to a group (for instance in this case the competitive scene) because they are not "good enough". This is not that situation. This is a tournament where the majority of teams have no connection with the GOIO community, don't play GOIO actively or competitively and don't have any apparent interest in playing GOIO actively or competitively. I don't grudge them that, but equally I don't think they will be much fun to compete against or have much fun competitive against seasoned competitive players rather than against each other. Mixing these two rather separate casual and competitive communities with different interests and different skill levels into the same tournament does not seem like a good idea to me.
Imagine, you seem to think I am criticising the organisation of this event out of contempt or some delusion of superiority. To clarify: I'd love to see this tournament, or any new event, succeed. However, I don't feel that it necessary to refuse to acknowledge any issue or flaw that the proposal may have. Failing to point these problems out is not going to achieve any kind of resolution.
You have taken offence to the critical feedback being offered in this thread. I would counter that all good feedback on any creation is to some extent critical, because nothing is perfect. It is the unfortunate truth that in the case of a highly inexperienced creator the proportion of criticism must be higher as they have more to learn and more to improve upon.
I was actually talking about the repeated allusions that a tournament isn't a valid or good tournament unless the Ducks or Gents are involved.
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I've mainly been standing by watching the thread go and seeing if there is anything I can input.. and finally there is! I would recommend making a whole new forum topic about this event, the comments here are getting clustered and I'm not sure about the validity of the original post, does it reflect rule changes implemented since then?
Anyway, If I were you I would remake the topic entirely. Make sure it is formatted and has a way to sign up included (assuming this is an open tournament), I would recommend making a google form for signing up, I can assist there if necessary, that way all your replies etc are instantly put into a neat little spreadsheet, to make your post clearer I would also recommend writing up a little rulebook (once again google docs is nice, due to the easiness of sharing files) with EVERY rule, so that the main post contains the basics and essentials (dates, maps etc.) but there is also a place to find situational rules (replacements, rescheduling dates etc.)
Just my personal opinion!
Cya in the skies!
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Imagine, I wasn't try to imply that for a tournament to be good there was the need for the Ducks or the Gents. I was just saying that i found odd that all the teams in there were either new or weren't even sign up into the game. But as Velvet said, if some of the regular teams filled those remaining spots it wouldn't be much fun for everyone, specially for those teams. Don't take me wrong. I would love to see this event happening, especially because it would, most likely, bring a lot of new people to the game and maybe increase our competition level :)
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Well the currently run Skyleage are using the same time limit rule the Sunday Rumbles and the Saturday Box Socials used.
You have a 30 minute time limit.
Once that limit exceeds the match is called a draw unless one team has minimum 3 kills.
If this is the case the match goes into overtime.
Overtime means that a 2 minute timer starts. If one ship looses armor the timer is reset 2 two minutes.
That can happen to a max of 15 minutes. In that time any team can grab the win by the usual winning conditions (5 kills).
If that didnt happen or the timer runs out the match will be called by the current score.
Urz mentioned in the 10 minute to go warning in the SAC vs. OVW game that there was no overtime. So I think the Sky League has slightly different time limit rules than Sunday Rumble and SBS had.
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Ok than i missed that. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Woah guys i didn't want for any disagreements to come out. I'm considering making a new topic for this so it's clean I can include a link to this topic for any who want to refer to it. I'm liking the idea of a google doc since if you guys point out mistakes such as my putting labyrinth (a king of the hill map) instead of the death match version Paritian Rumble. (i'm pretty sure i got the right one now lol the crumbled city) With a Google doc I can go in and make minor changes without the help of a mod.
Trust me I know you guys are very competitive and I respect the dedication you all can put into a single game. I'll admit I'm not that kind of gamer I just want to play so many other games I can't dedicate my time to one game to become the best of the best. HOWEVER my reason from bringing in the people I have is that all these players are strong gamers and some of them are competitive for other games. Some of them haven't even heard of this game. The Gentleman Gamer team all of them are very competitive on games such as league of legends and such and several of them that have started playing GOIO have become kinda addicted to the game lol. They could one day challenge you guys lol. That was my goal to bring in a bunch of new players for a casual game with the competitive side of it for those who like that side of gaming. Trust me I may not be an eSports gamer but I get very competitive and I don't like to loose. I won't go down without a fight! :D while playing with the Dev Bubbles I've seen what you pro players can do and as much as it scared me and surprised me I enjoyed the challenge. I know most others may not like the challenge but like I said that's why I was curious if anyone had any new to the clan players or some new clans would like to join and get some practice in.
As for the overtime I really liked that idea of a 2 minute clock type thing to enforce the players to move forward on the tie breaker. set the match as first to 5 points or the most points after a 2 minute stalemate wins. I like the concept it prevents camping and such.
I can look into Google forms for signups didn't think of that but that would make it easy... If i have any questions i'll ask you directly thanks for offering the help!
If I do decide to make a new clean topic i'll let you all know here before I ask a mod to close it.
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sorry Imagine for misunderstanding you there. I agree there are many other competitive and relevant clans beyond those two.
Zeck, that post doesn't really address the concern that there will be issues with mixing highly experienced and inexperienced clans. It's not that I respect these new teams less because they don't play or intend to play a lot of GOIO. It's just that a team with little experienced the game is not going to be anywhere near on a par with the average competitive team, meaning that if the clan teams get involved the consequence will be some very lopsided and uninteresting matches.
I would suggest that if you want the majority of teams involved to be those 5 with little or no experience of the game, you either respec the event into something entirely casual, possibly going so far as to remove the notion of a tournament or elimination completely, or you deny experienced teams entry and focus on bringing in some of the newer clans who don't yet have great prospects with the main competitive events. Rebranding your event as a "Sky League for newer and casual clans" might be your better bet imo.
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Hi! I sent you an email trying to sign up my team but I haven't heard anything back yet? Just wanted to make sure you have the SSMR signed up!
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I'd like a new thread, coming into this at 5 pages I have no idea what's going on. But I figure it's the usual "I don't like one thing about this" "you're wrong, one thing is awesome, here's a paragraph why"
We're bad about just playing the event sometimes, wanting everything to be perfect for everyone. Then there's the few that want things catered around them.
As a rule of thumb when anyone I don't personally know makes a suggestion on account of the "for the community" here I flip a coin, heads they're sincere, tails they just want things to be best for them.
Seeing as the sign ups close in 2 days though I guess it's kind of late for a new thread.
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I'd like a new thread, coming into this at 5 pages I have no idea what's going on. But I figure it's the usual "I don't like one thing about this" "you're wrong, one thing is awesome, here's a paragraph why"
We're bad about just playing the event sometimes, wanting everything to be perfect for everyone. Then there's the few that want things catered around them.
As a rule of thumb when anyone I don't personally know makes a suggestion on account of the "for the community" here I flip a coin, heads they're sincere, tails they just want things to be best for them.
Seeing as the sign ups close in 2 days though I guess it's kind of late for a new thread.
This really.. I have no clue what's going ons :s I'm still interested, just confused as to what's going on...
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Looking at the link in the first post it seems that the tournament has been delayed, if not canceled, due to Zeck having real life issues. I hope that it picks up again though as it seems somewhat interesting.