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2nd Gunner Midmatch Join
Corporal Ravioli:
Yeah, that was Obey Me's thing. I suffered the same behavior on my Goldfish yesterday.
It's because he doesn't /know/. If there was a game mechanic in place to keep second gunners from joining, this would never happen. Sorta like how you can't have multiple pilots, huh? Right?
Schwalbe:
He doesn't know.
Because he doesn't care.
Guy most probably have his fucking voice chat disabled. AND he doesn't read the chat. I have spent multiple minutes yesterday telling him that you just DON'T join as a second gunner, anywhere, to help with repairs, etc., etc.
Nope. No reaction.
And mechanic like you mention would be pretty damn dandy, but hey, Muse can't be arsed apparently.
Edit: You also forgot one thing. 2/3 ships in that fucking match had 2ND GUNNERS, MOST OF THEM OUT OF MIDMATCH JOINS
[Glenn Fricker's voice] WHAT THE FUCK?! C'MON!
Hilary Briss:
--- Quote from: Corporal Ravioli on June 19, 2017, 01:02:31 pm ---If you attempt to join a running match as a pilot when there already is one, you are notified that you will be changed to engineer.
If a gunner is already on the vessel you are attempting to join, just treat it exactly the same. It may nip out some sort of quasi-legitimate "lolgunnerstrats" brain damage, but I seriously can not conceptualize how this kind of thing hasn't already be implemented, considering double pilot has already been removed.
--- End quote ---
Most likely reason; they'd rather the new players have a free reign to do as they please. Whilst it does nothing but piss off have established players. A win win.
Corporal Ravioli:
--- Quote from: Schwalbe on September 17, 2017, 07:45:46 am ---He doesn't know.
Because he doesn't care.
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When considering new players, I find it difficult to attribute not knowing to not caring. This is especially true since so much of the education surrounding gameplay is inherently community-taught with no supporting game mechanics to provide structure for it. They only learn what they absorb from others, and that's such a squishy social variable that it's guaranteed that some will go about it civilly, and others /destructively/.
From a new player's perspective - and especially using other games as a means of (inaccurate) comparison - the gunner role seems to be the one that commands the most importance. If their (incorrect) understanding is that a vessel's chief effectiveness comes from those operating the armament, then the theory may assemble that the engineer is a dedicated "medic" that exclusively maintains the remaining operations. This is not a lack of /caring/, this is a misapplication of /logic/. If players are given free reign to choose whichever class they choose on joining, why couldn't this be the case?
A second gunner receiving flak for choosing that class may observe engineer as a demotion - "you're not allowed to shoot until you're actually good" - or even pressure into a role they don't believe they can handle yet.
This is why rigid game mechanics are so important. A cap on gunner joins communicates a paradigm that engineers are the "default" crew role, and that they are as functional (and important!) in offensive strategy as the rest of the crew. As well, it 100% prevents the genuine accidental join from a player that isn't versed enough to double-check their class before joining an empty slot.
This is not to discredit situations where a new gunner is purposefully being abrasive or denying advice from other players, but I believe that a lot of this behavior stems from a misunderstanding about important game mechanics that are not reinforced /anywhere/ in the architecture of the game itself. Hence why it's such a heated social situation whenever it crops up.
Schwalbe:
Ok, Ravioli? You missed the point.
--- Quote ---Guy most probably have his fucking voice chat disabled. AND he doesn't read the chat. I have spent multiple minutes yesterday telling him that you just DON'T join as a second gunner, anywhere, to help with repairs, etc., etc.
Nope. No reaction.
--- End quote ---
If he gave a flying fuck, he would have that explained. As calmly as the situation would present me opportunity with.
I am very chill and defensive towards new players that listen and give some degree of fuck.
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