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BlackenedPies:
This is a follow up and successor to the #AmmotudeAdjustment - Greased ammunition proposals thread. Proposals come from participants in the Skype group, and users on the forum

To a vote of 5 - 4, most preferred only changing jitter instead of both jitter and velocity. The argument against the first option is that jitter doesn't affect guns such as Hades and lumberjack. The argument against the second option is that reducing velocity would decrease arm range and therefor could be a buff

An alternative to decreased velocity is available for testing: decreased velocity without affecting arm range. An additional -10% could be added to the current -20% (-30% total) without changing the -20% arm range. This could, but doesn't need to, decrease range as well as projectile speeds

A similar option is adding shell drop, the opposite of the shell lift (lesmok is +30% lift). This affects projectiles such as hades, mortar, and flak, but not gat, banshee, or carro. In contrast, jitter mainly affects the latter guns

Another option has been proposed by ZnC: reduced damage values, specifically +10% clip (from +20%), -25% damage (from -20%), and +80% ROF (from +60%), which he explains in the previous Greased thread

If you'd like to test these new ideas, here's some options:

Option 1: -30% velocity, +10% arm time (optional +10% shell life to keep current range)
Option 2: -20% shell lift
Option 3: +10% clip, -25% damage, +80% RoF

Notes: Assume Option 1 & 2 include +30% jitter, values subject to change, options can be combined etc.

Unarmed Civilian:
I really want to see what option 2 would do to a lot of guns. That sounds really interesting.

Richard LeMoon:
Any final thoughts on this? Devs are asking for final numbers.

/!\This requires the buff nerf to +10% damage. /!\

I would like to see 1 and 3 combined. 2 would be cool, but needs a new ammo. It does not fit Greased.

-30% velocity

+15% arm time: b = unmodified arming range. c = original arming range reduction (b*0.20) b - (b*0.30) = n (new arming range).  n+ (n*0.15) = c + (c*0.00625) With rounding, Grease arming range does not change.

+10% clip.

-25% damage (from -20%)

+80% RoF (from +60%)

I would forgo the +30% jitter.

Also proposed, -50% AOE

BlackenedPies:

--- Quote from: Richard LeMoon on February 01, 2017, 04:24:23 pm ---Any final thoughts on this? Devs are asking for final numbers.

--- End quote ---

Most votes went to +30% jitter. -30% velocity with +10% arm range (+15% arm time) was well received for testing. Presumably the final numbers are +30% jitter, -30% velocity, +10% arm range

Richard LeMoon:
The big issue with adding jitter is it removes any skill compensation, which is not fun. Yes, it balances, but not in a positive way. Instead of learning to lead more, you are just tossing dice at the enemy and laying it all on chance. This is OK in games entirely built around chance. Guns however, is quite the opposite. Almost everything in the game is built on skill and outplaying.

If two metamidians came face to face with Greased loaded, I would not want the outcome decided by chance. That would create bad feelings all around. You did not lose because you lacked skill. You lost because your roll was not as good.

This is why people want Old Flak and loch back. It was all about skill. You had one shot, no jitter, and had to make it count.

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