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Version 1.4.8 Release Notes
Daft Loon:
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--- Quote from: Huskarr on September 20, 2016, 10:08:09 am ---This only affects H.Carro. Loch H.Carro is back.
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And incredibly overpowered. A huge mistake. Never tested and just jammed into the game. Come on, Muse... Carrofish is strong enough. This is absurd.
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Never tested? It was in the game for many months in-between the Carronade/Heavy clip changes and the Lochnagar changes and was never a problem. The only difference now is that it gained a little bit from increased turning speed and lost quite a lot with the change to only -60% scatter.
Atruejedi:
--- Quote from: Daft Loon on September 20, 2016, 08:08:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on September 20, 2016, 04:56:21 pm ---
--- Quote from: Huskarr on September 20, 2016, 10:08:09 am ---This only affects H.Carro. Loch H.Carro is back.
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And incredibly overpowered. A huge mistake. Never tested and just jammed into the game. Come on, Muse... Carrofish is strong enough. This is absurd.
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Never tested? It was in the game for many months in-between the Carronade/Heavy clip changes and the Lochnagar changes and was never a problem. The only difference now is that it gained a little bit from increased turning speed and lost quite a lot with the change to only -60% scatter.
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I am very against the hard-counter "meta," but that's what this is going to become... I flew a Galleon yesterday and my balloon was popped for a solid 3 minutes. Luckily, I had Drogue Chute (always!) and a Spanner and a triple engineer crew so I was able to survive for a good while, but I could never, ever get a shot off until my allies came to help. How is that fun? Do not respond by telling me to fly another ship, etc. Don't tell me I should have shot him before he shot me, etc. Being pinned to the ground for a significant amount of time simply isn't fun. The Heavy Carronade was perfectly powerful without Loch. Now it's absurd.
If I want to be a dick, I'll fly a Loch Carrofish and I'll guarantee wreck my enemies. It isn't hard to fly a Carrofish WITHOUT Loch... now it's easy mode. Please don't mention competitive either, because I don't care about competitive.
I guess my point is: One ammunition should not completely overpower a gun. There's essentially no reason to NOT use Loch on the Carro. That's bad design.
Daft Loon:
There is a solution to the Carrofish - Galleon matchup problem, Restore the 45 degree upward arc to the Minotaur so there is no longer a 100% safe spot for the Fish.
Also possible now that it only affects the Heavy Carronade is tweaking the fixed damage value to something like 85% of the gun to limit it a little more, I'm not sure that's really needed though, I never myself use loch two shots in a row because the self damage adds up too fast and charged dishes out more damage anyway.
Inkjet:
The wording was just odd, what should have been said is "old mechanics" rather than "more familiar mechanics". That is, they take 250 damage when firing.
Dementio:
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on September 20, 2016, 08:17:02 pm ---I flew a Galleon yesterday and my balloon was popped for a solid 3 minutes. Luckily, I had Drogue Chute (always!) and a Spanner and a triple engineer crew so I was able to survive for a good while, but I could never, ever get a shot off until my allies came to help. How is that fun?
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Have you ever flown a Galleon against a Hwachafish? Where you lose your guns and engines from much farther away? Oh and what happens when it gets close to your Galleon, it uses its side Carronade to kill your balloon anyway and then proceeds to destroy every newly rebuild part with a reloaded Hwacha? A Blenderfish can only destroy the balloon, or the front gun of another Goldfish, which means if you have a Lumberjack and a Hades you can keep shooting the Blenderfish' ally, helping your ally win his battle so he can come help you. Also, a Blenderfish doesn't destroy engines like the Hwachafish, so you can still reposition your Galleon and drop in a location that is either safer for you ship, gives you better shots on the enemy Fish' ally or which gives you the longest survival time.
Essentially, if you talk about how the Blenderfish doesn't allow for fighting back at all, I will tell you how the Hwachafish doesn't allow fighting back at all. And we are not nerfing the Hwacha, so there you go.
--- Quote from: Atruejedi on September 20, 2016, 08:17:02 pm ---I guess my point is: One ammunition should not completely overpower a gun. There's essentially no reason to NOT use Loch on the Carro. That's bad design.
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You are thinking wrong, Lochnagar doesn't make the Carronade overpowered at all, it adds more diversity to it than most other guns have. #BurstHwacha, #BurstArtemis, #GreasedGatling and #Lesmok on any other gun. If your enemy uses a Heavy Carronade with Lochnagar, just tell your Gatling/Artemis/Hwacha/Carronade or even Lumberjack to damage it a little bit, then the gun gets destroyed after a single shot.
Also, it is more useful as an engagement opener than a consistent ammo. If you complain about getting grinded into the ground by the Carronade, than it is not because your enemy used Lochnagar 24/7, it means he destroyed your balloon once and that's it. Especially against a Galleon, a Blenderfish even with heavy clip could easily bring it down before it can react, but that only really goes against a Galleon, in many other scenarios, Lochnagar is the key to allow the Blenderfish to get even one good balloon destruction going.
If Lochnagar on the Heavy Carronade gets nerfed again, then buff the damn gun at least. It's reload time is dangerously close that of the Hwacha, it has even less arcs than the Hwacha in all directions and also got a random range nerf the last time it was nerfed. The heavy clip nerf hit it hard and the Lochnagar nerf on top of that just ruined all possibilities for the Blenderfish, now it can finally be used again and compete with the "must bring" Hwachafish.
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