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Easy idea to help lobbies
Hoja Lateralus:
--- Quote from: Narayan on July 26, 2016, 04:28:38 pm ---Let's decrease the veteran match lvl requirement to 20. (...) heck we could even consider lvl 16+.
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NO GOD PLEASE NO
--- Quote from: Lysanya on July 26, 2016, 06:58:55 pm ---Force premades with more than a certain percentage of vets on it (for argument's sake right now, let's say more than 1 per ship) into vet lobbies, and then force custom lobbies with that same certain percentage of vets in it before hitting the recruit from queue button into vet lobbies to close a loophole. Also, block vets from stacking a single ship (must maintain the 1 vet per ship rule) after the recruit button is hit to close another loophole. Solo queue, custom lobbies that don't recruit from queue, and Alliance PvE are excluded from this.
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So basically you're saying that vets can't play the game now? Because all sane people crewform together, because a) game forces them too and b) they want to play with their friends.
How to fix goio? Let's piss off the vets. Kick them in the nuts until they leave, those bastards. Yeah, that's helpful.
When you think about it - it's BONKERS. This is basically totalitarian way of implementing the idea of a fluffy cuddly helpful vet. Bottom line? Not gonna happen.
When you think of it it's horryfyingly beautiful, let's turn "vet games" into the nightmare of having 3 non-veteran players on the ship. DID I SAY IT'S BONKERS AND TERRIBLE NIGHTMARE?! I MEAN WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK, HAS GOD FORSAKEN US ALL?
I do realise you wrote 'more than' but still, if by some horrible mistake I decide to solo queue as a vet I don't want to be thrown into a ship with 3 level-what-so-evers who I'll have to babysit. What's the point of 'vet game' then? Also the part about blocking vets from stacking on one ship triggered me, hence the rant.
(why am I doing this to myself...?)
--- Quote from: Daft Loon on July 26, 2016, 08:27:33 pm ---There is another option that would help: Matchmaker should try to place novices into running novice matches before prompting them to disable novice to find a match faster.
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This is a thing?
Why is this a thing?
MUUUUUUUUUUUUSE!
Narayan:
Well disaster what would you rather have a rando lvl20 or rando lvl1?
Lysanya:
--- Quote from: Narayan on July 26, 2016, 07:06:15 pm ---Yea I mean force the mm people into vet lobbies you can still play regular thru the match browser. Mixed formations would go to regular game. I don't think sending everyone to the vet lobby would work, if someone dropped mm would put a rando lvl 3 in to replace the one you lost. This plan if everyone is above the lvl 16 threshold would send them all to vet from crew form.
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I still strongly disagree with this idea for the reasons I listed above. In my opinion, it unfairly segregates the population of this game.
--- Quote from: Narayan on July 26, 2016, 07:06:15 pm ---Quit saying levels don't matter, if it's level 1 or 2 it matters.
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Dev games match #3 yesterday would directly refuse your statement. A level 1 gunner went ham on Bubbles's spire after Atruejedi spent a few minutes with him teaching him what to do.
--- Quote from: Narayan on July 26, 2016, 07:06:15 pm ---Hell as one of the few active ca's on your ship should be all noobs so you would always go to normal games. This does need to happen you need to quit pushing training off on non CA's that don't want it. This is a fix for the broken novice matches.
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Your OP is about forcing vet lobbies, not novice lobbies. And no one is forcing you to teach. I said clans would become a greater source of teaching and interaction as a result of the idea I posted, not that they would be forced to do so. There is a difference between the two.
--- Quote from: Daft Loon on July 26, 2016, 08:27:33 pm ---It would make more sense to raise the novice graduation level to 16 than to drop the vet match level that far, 20 might be good though.
There is another option that would help: Matchmaker should try to place novices into running novice matches before prompting them to disable novice to find a match faster.
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This is a possibility, but I still think we'll see a lot of new players opt out of novice queue, even with this. But more choice is also good here.
--- Quote from: Daft Loon on July 26, 2016, 08:27:33 pm ---I would go further than that, 30s map vote, 60s timer after that, 3x 20s add time per ship (refreshed if everyone adds time in-case the lobby is actually full of lobbies of icarus fans), can only add time between 40s and 3s remaining (or thereabouts), remove the ready up button entirely to silence the choir/ because it would be redundant - to ready up don't add time.
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I think allowing a full minute per ship could also cause problems. Maybe something like, 30 second map timer, 90 second lobby timer, and both teams are allowed two 30 second "add time" buttons, regardless of the number of ships in the lobby. This would cut lobby timers down to a guaranteed 2-4 minutes once pilots load in, and the only way the timer resets is to 30 seconds if a new pilot (not the same pilot that just left the spot) loads in. If people want more than 4 minutes for socialization, custom lobbies can help fill that void.
Narayan:
I bet if that gunner had been engie instead Jedi would have lost lol. You keep throwing out this idea of the magical noob who listens and has voice comm and paid attention in the tutorial, with a dash of natural skill, I don't get those on my ship most of the time, obviously this guy had some idea what was going on if he could figure out how to join the match, unless you guys were so short you had to open it up to queue again.
Yes Lysana of corse the level 1 was a gunner because if he will talk to you, and seems like he will fire the gun that's where he can do the least amount of damage. Would you let a lvl 1 main deck for you in a dev match Lysana? No of course you wouldn't so quit talking out your ass and saying levels don't matter because they do.
I offered to fight you one on one and you refused. Then at the end Of the match you dipped after the shuffle and wouldn't play the match with the noob ally's. Your reason if I remember correctly was that you were teasing potential clan memebers, tho I don't know how that stomp was a fair test of anything. You ship stack with sass, you choose your matches carefully, and you are a giant hypocrite.
As far as clans training how many brand new players have you picked up in sass in the last week? I know rydr and clan haven't taken in many and they are some of our best players with the most to teach. The only clan I see regularly picking up new players is grox and their training program is shall we say, less than stellar.
This is a serious question are you on drugs Lysana? Something seems wrong with the way got brain works and what you say on the forums. You say you don't like stomping noobs but I've been on the wrong side of a stack against you and you went full try hard and focused me with your ally in vip. Your ca you didn't take the hit and play with the noobs you passed it to me. That noob ship by the way and I'm sure you remember them were the ones that said tamzin had a shitty asshole, wouldn't help or listen to anything. Don't forget that's what many of the noobs are like and that's the ones I got stuck with when you stomped me. I'm not gonna keep playing this game if that's the matches I'm going to get, and I'm not gonna have a serious conversation with you on this subject or any other until you recognize we do have many bad noobs in this game.
You stomped me that match even tho I offered to 1v1 you to make it fair, and you wouldn't play the rematch. You stack your ships and pick your fights just like the people you criticize so quit being a hypocrite.
nanoduckling:
In practice how is this different from raising the novice cap to level 16 or 20 and making it mandatory? How many players above and below level 16 / 20 are online at any given time of the day?
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