Yep. The question is whether or not the shorter notice is easier to handle than the 'deathmarch' of time consumption. We could just close the season without a tourney, then use a tournament to reestablish the COG structure.
I think that may be a better solution, if only because it gives us some breathing room for a back and forth with OE on scheduling the games. Fight for the seeds over a couple weeks, Cogs as normal. I don't think we should settle on that just yet, though, it sounds like it'd be a pain in the ass to organize when you know a lot of those early games are going to end up as no-shows.
I say these things knowing the effort that goes into putting on events, and knowing that there is a lot of work and thought put into cogs.
As do I. I've organized stuff like this before, it does take a lot of effort. Thing is, OE is getting stupid amounts of channel views in large part because of their efforts organizing this. They're the official broadcasters of Guns of Icarus, backed by Muse. It's not like they've been unrewarded or they're downtrodden, they can take criticism and they ask for criticism. Just because they work hard doesn't mean it's not a bad idea to suddenly announce everyone involved is supposed to do something they weren't planning for for hours on end. They've been kind of announcing how things are going to be without asking for input from the participants and that's just not going to work in the long run.
Again, the Cogs isn't entirely a gift from OE to the GoI players, the participants are very much responsible for a lot of OE's recent success and they very much deserve a say in how things are done. No one wants to see the Cogs failing because everyone's switching to another tournament that's a bit more player-friendly.
There is no effort to dick with anyone. CoGs is not and cannot be for everyone. It's for team players who have put in the effort or had someone else put in the effort for them to form a team, practice, and show up
Take my personal cogs story for example:
When Cogs started I saw that I was not going to be able to play, I didn't know anyone personally in the game and had not made any name for myself yet. I started by trying to form my own clan, and started working on an everyone can join tournament called sky kinds. Both failed.
After crewing Smollets ship in normal games and having a great time he asked me if I wanted to be a duck.
Maybe a week and a half before the Raft played their first game I tried out for one of the 2 captain spots. I lost to Ccrack and ended up as the gunner for Hizumi. later because so many Ducks wanted to play in cogs I earned a captain spot on the 3rd ducks team, the Brood.
Even though the Brood has only played 2 matches, something like 17 different players have been on the Brood.
player sometimes can't make a game, some disappear, some stop playing GOI, some move on to captain their own teams, some come and fill in for one game.
You recruit when you sign up, and you recruit be for every single game. Thats just how it is.
I am in CoGs because of Squashes effort, Smollets effort, My effort, My various crew and teammate's effort, and all the people who put on the cog's effort.
IT TAKES A LOT OF EFFORT TO BE IN COGS.
Congratulations. I don't see people lining up to watch players organize, they're there to watch the games themselves. Demanding that everyone have your same dedication is absolutely ridiculous, that's not what the Cogs should be about. This is not a professional league where people earn money, there shouldn't be an expectation that the participants go through undue stress just to compete. The organizers taking a bit of time to consider the difficulty of scheduling for the teams is well worth whatever perceived drop in quality there is for the spectators, it's not that hard to just ask beforehand before declaring that this is what's going to happen and that's final.
Just about everyone here understands that just by the nature of having teams there's going to be unavoidable difficulties, it sucks but no one can really come up with a way to make team organization easy. But that's completely different from romanticizing it as an
ideal, like that's how it
should be. It's fine to have a bit of pride about your own dedication but I'm going to be blunt, the less that kind of hard work is rewarded the better. We should be making every effort to make participation as easy as possible, to take down as many boundaries to competing as is practical so that victories are less effected by anything other than skill.
It's just not fun watching a team like Corvus forfeiting a match because they got fucked by a surprise, people don't watch the Cogs to watch the participants stress out over scheduling. That makes the game stop being fun, and when the Cogs stop being fun they're going to die.
If you don't like these facts about cogs make your own event. Seriously I want more events! I myself have spent over 30 hrs trying to get non cogs events going.
Teams are already feeling stressed out just by the current Cogs. There's no way the Cogs could survive another similar league, a lot of people would be playing in one or the other. It's really damn rare to have the time to participate in multiple simultaneous leagues, particularly if they're both as demanding as the Cogs. Not to mention the nightmare of scheduling conflicts between the two, the Cogs have a pretty good time on Saturday and you bet any serious league is going to want those hours too. A lot of people like myself want to compete in THE league, we want the spotlight on the bigass Twitch channel. Picking up our toys and going elsewhere is more of a last ditch effort should all else fail, which it won't as I'm sure Qwerty and Swallow are going to take this thread seriously.
