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Kamoba:
--- Quote from: Ceresbane on January 22, 2015, 07:51:38 pm ---
--- Quote from: VomAct on January 22, 2015, 07:46:35 pm ---First of all, if you are doing hardcore sniping in a pyra you are doing it wrong. You are pretty much wasting the advantage of a pyra completely by sitting it off on the edge of the map. If you are going to seriously snipe, spire or mobula are your best bets.
In your average pub match, if you are going to snipe with either of those ships, you need to stick with guns that have no arming time. This is just because most pubbie gunners can't shoot and hit effectively enough to kill a ship before it gets inside your arming time, and once a brawling ship gets inside your arming time, you are in serious trouble.
These requirements pretty much leave you with mercury and artemis.
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This is precisely why my pyra is used for sniping. I've seen pubbies that couldnt find the central gun on my mobula and people fighting to give away our position on the hwacha.
And as I said on the match I got unscathed, 1 gunner was shooting 1 merc while my engies just milled about waiting for a win to happen. And despite me getting this rare achievement notch. I don't feel good for giving them that win and for giving Kamo fuel to diss my sound tactical positioning.
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All I said was you was out in the open, the low level goldfish pilot pretty much ignored you, which is great I meerly suggested you might find it more useful to have some hard cover nearby.
Now most people take constructive criticism as a good thing, I'm sorry you was offended by mine but I'm going to stop replying after I say this, stop taking personal offence to minor details. Also try to be less hostile to the community around you.
VomAct:
--- Quote from: Ceresbane on January 22, 2015, 07:51:38 pm ---
This is precisely why my pyra is used for sniping. I've seen pubbies that couldnt find the central gun on my mobula and people fighting to give away our position on the hwacha.
And as I said on the match I got unscathed, 1 gunner was shooting 1 merc while my engies just milled about waiting for a win to happen. And despite me getting this rare achievement notch. I don't feel good for giving them that win and for giving Kamo fuel to diss my sound tactical positioning.
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If you are going to play in pub matches with pub crews, first of all you need to be patient and focus on teaching. If you don't like the way that pub crews operate, then it is up to you to train them. For example, if they can't find the weird asymmetrical ladder up to the top mobula gun, then either show them yourself or get a good crewmember to show them the light.
Second, you need to be patient because if and when pub crews don't listen, you just need to let it go and take the occasional loss. Raging at the new players will do absolutely nothing for them, and it just makes you look like an ass to the one guy who actually is listening.
Of course, if you can't handle losing, then maybe you shouldn't be doing pub matches at all, and only fly in formation with an all-clan team in extremely stacked and boring matches.
Also, if you are going to do sniping pyra, at least one of your crew is going to be really bored with nothing to do. Bored pubbies are always going to be bad pubbies.
Caprontos:
--- Quote from: VomAct on January 22, 2015, 08:25:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ceresbane on January 22, 2015, 07:51:38 pm ---
This is precisely why my pyra is used for sniping. I've seen pubbies that couldnt find the central gun on my mobula and people fighting to give away our position on the hwacha.
And as I said on the match I got unscathed, 1 gunner was shooting 1 merc while my engies just milled about waiting for a win to happen. And despite me getting this rare achievement notch. I don't feel good for giving them that win and for giving Kamo fuel to diss my sound tactical positioning.
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If you are going to play in pub matches with pub crews, first of all you need to be patient and focus on teaching. If you don't like the way that pub crews operate, then it is up to you to train them. For example, if they can't find the weird asymmetrical ladder up to the top mobula gun, then either show them yourself or get a good crewmember to show them the light.
Second, you need to be patient because if and when pub crews don't listen, you just need to let it go and take the occasional loss. Raging at the new players will do absolutely nothing for them, and it just makes you look like an ass to the one guy who actually is listening.
Of course, if you can't handle losing, then maybe you shouldn't be doing pub matches at all, and only fly in formation with an all-clan team in extremely stacked and boring matches.
Also, if you are going to do sniping pyra, at least one of your crew is going to be really bored with nothing to do. Bored pubbies are always going to be bad pubbies.
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I support this entirely. Also I am that bored guy on the sniper pyra.. but it's fine.. I don't mind actually seeing the game once in awhile.. - but that's just me..
As for the topic, I don't really think we need more sniping.. Or less.. but spire buff and pyra nerf ... + squid buff.. might effect ship choice.. we'll see I guess..
I'd like to see more mobulas and squids lately.. but ah well.
DrTentacles:
Hades/double art trifecta. Fun for everyone. Boredom problem solved.
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: VomAct on January 22, 2015, 08:25:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ceresbane on January 22, 2015, 07:51:38 pm ---
This is precisely why my pyra is used for sniping. I've seen pubbies that couldnt find the central gun on my mobula and people fighting to give away our position on the hwacha.
And as I said on the match I got unscathed, 1 gunner was shooting 1 merc while my engies just milled about waiting for a win to happen. And despite me getting this rare achievement notch. I don't feel good for giving them that win and for giving Kamo fuel to diss my sound tactical positioning.
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If you are going to play in pub matches with pub crews, first of all you need to be patient and focus on teaching. If you don't like the way that pub crews operate, then it is up to you to train them. For example, if they can't find the weird asymmetrical ladder up to the top mobula gun, then either show them yourself or get a good crewmember to show them the light.
Second, you need to be patient because if and when pub crews don't listen, you just need to let it go and take the occasional loss. Raging at the new players will do absolutely nothing for them, and it just makes you look like an ass to the one guy who actually is listening.
Of course, if you can't handle losing, then maybe you shouldn't be doing pub matches at all, and only fly in formation with an all-clan team in extremely stacked and boring matches.
Also, if you are going to do sniping pyra, at least one of your crew is going to be really bored with nothing to do. Bored pubbies are always going to be bad pubbies.
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I'm beyond that phase of patience.
I've been in so many pub matches where I realise noobs simply do not listen to sound logic or advice and do what they want. I nearly ran with a an engie with mallet buff extinguisher for crying out loud after spending all 200 seconds of the lobby tell him to change.
Ain't got no time to lose because of some guy's incompetence. At this point noobs are achieve notches to me. As for the whole patience thing.
Impatience gets you flying head long into a 2 v 1. If I got a pilot that can't wait a few seconds to get spots or gather information on terrain and correct positioning before attacking, its not a matter of them being "interesting." Losing soundly because of the lack of a few basic practices is what a boring match is.
Can you truly TRULY unironically tell me it is fun to be part of a team that doesn't learn ANYTHING from any mistakes they make? If so, join all the boring impatient pubs you want. I don't want in on that. I spent 1-30 on all 3 classes with 100% match completion and I still try to leave before match start.
I only quit at match start when MM fks you over by placing you in a game with 5 seconds on the lobby timer. And honestly? I have ceased to care about that 100% match completion as a result. It has literally gained me nothing but grief.
That being said noob crews would benefit from sniping builds. Theres no special piloting required. You just point and shoot. Even a pubbie can handle turning a ship into arc, surely (ironically most common complaint with noob pilots)
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