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Tame The Trolls
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: Indreams on January 08, 2015, 09:32:23 pm ---The engineer requirement is my thing. I'd like them to try their monkey, spanner, mallet build in novice matches first. I'd like them to try their buff, chem, extinguish in novice matches.
I really want a good tutorial in the game (instead of novice matches). I want something like the tutorials in League, where the player is pitted against easy bots and taught most of the mechanics of the game. I think this will be possible with the co-op techs.
But this thread went from trolls to new players... I think one of the reason's this is so is that most "troll" actions in GOIO are so similar to "novice" actions.
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Potentially that's what Co-op could do, since it will bring actual bots into the game. However... I see an issue with achieve grinding with it.
Maybe more options on sandbox mode or extra crap in tutorial. Like basics tutorial (each class) and advanced which like a mock battle that needs a full crew.
I mean you can have bot pilots when co-op comes. But it won't teach what good piloting is.
Patched Wizard:
--- Quote from: DJ Logicalia on January 08, 2015, 03:17:03 am ---Can we have a wall of trolls we like?
#TeamButBlaster
#TeamTank
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NO. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. NO.
There is no "TeamButtBlaster" there is just "ButtBlaster"
Fiesty:
--- Quote from: Ceresbane on January 08, 2015, 05:12:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fiesty on January 08, 2015, 02:01:45 pm ---Perhaps a easy solution with some immersion is ingame now.
Rank.
You characters each have a rank which determines where they play.
So, if a ship unanimously downvotes a player. That player is kicked and loses 5 levels. If they contniously troll, they will be stuck in novice where admins can easily pick them from their rank vrs game hours. Then ban them from the game, could even be automatic.
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Any system that has downvoting is easily abusable. I mean I can easily see someone like Lueosi being downvoted to hell because he's far too tough competition.
What I'm curious about is how MM's invisible ranking system works.
And any suggestion of outright community segregation is the dumbest thing I've heard considering the size of the player base. You can't increase the amount of decent players unless you train up the new blood. Really gotta emphasise, we DON'T HAVE THE PLAYERS TO SIMPLY SEPARATE EVERYONE INTO ELITIST CLIQUES.
It can work on a small scale. But anymore would damage the playerbase's potential for growth. For one thing.
Novice matches are good. Limiting on ship types is good. Limiting on gun builds is not.
Because from memory I remember the gun builds on novice being kinda bad on some presets. I think Novice matches should be a mode where all of the noobish experimentation can take place, so that it all gets out of their system before they graduate.
Also tool sets for novices. I say do the following.
Lock spy glass on all non-pilots as piloting tools.
For engies to have 1 fixing tool and 1 anti fire. The combination doesnt matter, but there must be 1 of each type on the tools taken.
Gunners can pick their ammo. However they MUST have a wrench and spy glass.
Only pilots get outright freedom. Why? Because the more blame you force on a pilot, the more clearer it is the responsibility of a good pilot is. And by forcing new players to try all three classes. They'll be forced to appreciate their role in the game.
And I am an advocate of forcing novice matches, and making the gradution condition to be changed to lvl up as x lvl on all 3 classes. But instead of the fairly high lvl for graduation that it is now. Lower the condition from... 7 or 8? (I think its 8 to graduate) to lvl 4 on all 3 classes.
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You did not read my post.
Downvotes are within a ship only, and require unanimous vote for punishment.
This is difficult to abuse unless its an entire ship of trolls with the exception of one person.
Arturo Sanchez:
--- Quote from: Fiesty on January 09, 2015, 01:25:04 pm ---
--- Quote from: Ceresbane on January 08, 2015, 05:12:55 pm ---
--- Quote from: Fiesty on January 08, 2015, 02:01:45 pm ---Perhaps a easy solution with some immersion is ingame now.
Rank.
You characters each have a rank which determines where they play.
So, if a ship unanimously downvotes a player. That player is kicked and loses 5 levels. If they contniously troll, they will be stuck in novice where admins can easily pick them from their rank vrs game hours. Then ban them from the game, could even be automatic.
--- End quote ---
Any system that has downvoting is easily abusable. I mean I can easily see someone like Lueosi being downvoted to hell because he's far too tough competition.
What I'm curious about is how MM's invisible ranking system works.
And any suggestion of outright community segregation is the dumbest thing I've heard considering the size of the player base. You can't increase the amount of decent players unless you train up the new blood. Really gotta emphasise, we DON'T HAVE THE PLAYERS TO SIMPLY SEPARATE EVERYONE INTO ELITIST CLIQUES.
It can work on a small scale. But anymore would damage the playerbase's potential for growth. For one thing.
Novice matches are good. Limiting on ship types is good. Limiting on gun builds is not.
Because from memory I remember the gun builds on novice being kinda bad on some presets. I think Novice matches should be a mode where all of the noobish experimentation can take place, so that it all gets out of their system before they graduate.
Also tool sets for novices. I say do the following.
Lock spy glass on all non-pilots as piloting tools.
For engies to have 1 fixing tool and 1 anti fire. The combination doesnt matter, but there must be 1 of each type on the tools taken.
Gunners can pick their ammo. However they MUST have a wrench and spy glass.
Only pilots get outright freedom. Why? Because the more blame you force on a pilot, the more clearer it is the responsibility of a good pilot is. And by forcing new players to try all three classes. They'll be forced to appreciate their role in the game.
And I am an advocate of forcing novice matches, and making the gradution condition to be changed to lvl up as x lvl on all 3 classes. But instead of the fairly high lvl for graduation that it is now. Lower the condition from... 7 or 8? (I think its 8 to graduate) to lvl 4 on all 3 classes.
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You did not read my post.
Downvotes are within a ship only, and require unanimous vote for punishment.
This is difficult to abuse unless its an entire ship of trolls with the exception of one person.
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Still abusable. Just smaller in scale.
Richard LeMoon:
I think a reputation system would be a good thing, but I would not make it just a general one. The current commendations system is bad. I no longer give out commendations to people unless I have played quite a few games with them, and know they are not jerks. Too many times I have given someone a commendation in a match, only to find out that they are a complete arsehat in the next match, where they end up on my blocked list.
What is needed is a multi-tier, dynamic, public viewable ranking system. Much like Amazon's product ratings. You like someone a lot, and you can give them 5 stars. If your opinions of that player changes, you can change the number of stars. It should also be divided by player level. Every time you go up 5 levels, your previous rank is locked, and you can re-rate players as your new level. What this does is give meaning to data. You can see by your ratings how many stars you are getting from different ranks of players. You can see how many people rated you. You can see what ratings you got from which other rankings when you were a level 1-5, or 15-20 level player. Other players can see all of this as well.
It is hard to mess up someone's rating when you can see exactly how many people rated in exactly what way. If you have a solid 5 star rating from a lot of people, and suddenly get a bunch of 1 stars from level 1-5s, it is pretty easy to see that a new group has decided to troll you.
You should also be able to see how many ratings a player has given out, and how many stars. It is then also easy to see a ratings troll and have all of their ratings removed.
To prevent mass rating trolls, keep with the system of only rating people you are in a match with.
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