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Dementio:

--- Quote from: Spud Nick on December 13, 2014, 01:15:59 pm ----Danial

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Who is dat.



--- Quote from: Dutch Vanya on December 13, 2014, 01:16:17 pm ---If no one ever gives new players a chance how do they get any good? How would any of us have gotten where we are now? This game has enough problems as it is without all the hatred for new 'pubbies' and new players.

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When I get a new player on my ship or an not as experienced ally pilot I watch how they perform and try to give them tips. The kind of new player described by crafek is the stubborn kind that does not accept tipps of any kind. Of course, if we had been like that we would never have ended up where we are now.

Patched Wizard:

--- Quote from: Skrimskraw on December 12, 2014, 08:33:16 pm ---
--- Quote from: Dutch Vanya on December 12, 2014, 11:09:59 am ---What makes some pilots definitively better than others? Is this just about competitive matches? Doesn't every experienced pilot perform amazing feats sometimes, and screw up other times? So far the most consistent mentions have been Lue and Spud, who have quite simply played the most matches out of anyone. What really makes someone a top pilot?

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i dont play many pubs, so i dont get around the community as a whole, but i watch a lot of goio competitive due to also organizing it, so that is where i base my top list on. besides i also think competitive play shows skill as opposed to non competitive.

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Competitive play could never illuminate the entire gamut of a person's skills. You're simply looking at a single facet of their qualities through one particular lens. You answered the question as best as you could using your collected experience, and I am by no means refuting your opinion. However, to claim that "competitive play shows skill as opposed to non competitive" is a fallacy.

In the competitive scene you have highly experienced pilots that work together and are in turn supported by an extremely experienced crew. Competitive is a fantastic show of strategy, coordination, and tactics. But when I watch competitive, I see an individual's skill level being overshadowed by the collective skills of the team. I'm not saying that a pilot's skills aren't critical, indeed they are, but they are not as predominant when the gunner makes every shot, and when the engineers have their cycles immaculately timed, and when a pilot's ally is perfectly coordinated.

I believe wholeheartedly that incredible skill can be found in the non-competitive scene. In the non-competitive scene a pilot will not always have their ideal crew or ally. They might be facing clans on a pubstomp or other pilots who are vastly more experienced than they are; they could be handicapped by AI, inexperienced team members, and in worse cases trolls. But some pilots in the non-competitive scene can and have pulled phenomenal victories from the jaws of these insurmountable odds. Non-competitive can sometimes lack the intense teamwork of competitive, but I believe that there is a greater chance to see the qualities of an individual pilot when all they have to support them is their own raw ability.

I will not name anyone, but I have observed many of the top competitive pilots, even the ones frequently mentioned on this discussion, crumble when they didn't have the well oiled machine of their competitive team supporting them. I'm not saying that they are undeserving of their recognition, all I am trying to highlight is that there is more to an person's skill than just their performance in the competitive or non-competitive scene. There are just too many facets to the vast structure of "skill" to see the compete picture of an individual's true abilities.

Competitive is a good place to see one facet of a pilot's skills, non-competitive is another good place. Only when we can observe that same person operate under a vast variety of conditions can we ever hope to have a more complete understanding of their talents and how they compare with others.

Skrimskraw:
competitive is a collective effort, but there are no denying that a good crew with a lesser skilled pilot will lose to a better skilled pilot with a good crew. Sorry to say it but competitive is the only place to rank pilots. I understand the thought of taking distance to ranking people, but I just feel like these players are the current best pilot in competitive. There are a lot of good pilots with patience in pubs and I respect them, but its not for me. In my 2 years with this game I have only been really impressed by competitive play. Sure you can do some crazy shit in pubs, but the general level is so low compared. I can go into a pub game and beat some other 5-0 with a mobula, but I cant do that vs a competitive team, so ofcourse Im going to put more focus on pilots that take part of the competitive scene.
If there are any good pilots in pubs all i can say is sign up for our SCS event and show what you've got ;)

Jubjub entered my top 3 for one specific reason, last week he changed up his playstyle to more mobility and outsmarting other players, with a crew that wasnt SPQR tagged. That to me is impressive to make 3 people work together on that level.

nanoduckling:
"Sorry to say it but competitive is the only place to rank pilots." - Skrim this is subjective, and Mezhu didn't really define in detail the 'skill' criterion here. Your way of ranking pilots is fine, but there is no 'right' way to do it. And Patched is correct, your method might well be superior for you (which is fine, if you learn all you want to about a pilot from watching competitive then no one can take that from you), but it is not comprehensive. Being able to position a ship so a novice crew can operate on it is a different skill to positioning it to maximize what you get out of an experienced crew, and if I'm co-captaining with a pilot in a pub game that is one of the skills I like to know they have. That is a positive for them by my criterion, I cant learn about it watching competitive matches. There are lots of other pilot skills that you wont see from the best players in a competitive match because they have support they can rely on.

Not sure I agree with Patched that non-competitive is a better place for seeing individual pilot skills though, but it depends on the skill you are looking for. For me I weight the competitive stuff highly, in part because I've only flown with the big names a few times and it is hard to get a feel from that and also in part because my standards are similar to Skrim's, I want to see what people can do when they are working with the best material. I also weight effective co-ordination, strategy and map usage highly. My pick is therefore Frogger.

Of course some of these are blending into captain skills (or even admiral skills) rather than pilot skills, but I think at higher skill levels captain and pilot are hard to separate.

GeoRmr:
How to rank people you don't know, without any videos of them playing?

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