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Fixed Crew Spots Set by Captain
RearAdmiralZill:
The problem is choice.
The captain by design has a lot if inherent power on a boat. You suggest loadouts, you pick the boat, you tell people what they are going to do upon that boat. If a crewmate doesnt want your recommended loadout, he's either achievement hunting, a second gunner who wants to gun and matchmaking was unkind, is new, or a troll. Forcing players to do x when they dont want to will just net a bad experience anyway.
Hopefully with the latest change with them keeping novice games away from the matchmaker, they will then apply something to limit double gunner/pilot situations. Forcing loadouts on the lobby end isnt ideal.
Devinstater:
As a guy on a gunner kick, I would not mind this. I would gladly wait to find a ship that wants me then get matched to a crew with a gunner already crying at me over the mic to switch to engineer.
Squidslinger Gilder:
--- Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on November 09, 2014, 10:15:46 pm ---The problem is choice.
The captain by design has a lot if inherent power on a boat. You suggest loadouts, you pick the boat, you tell people what they are going to do upon that boat. If a crewmate doesnt want your recommended loadout, he's either achievement hunting, a second gunner who wants to gun and matchmaking was unkind, is new, or a troll. Forcing players to do x when they dont want to will just net a bad experience anyway.
Hopefully with the latest change with them keeping novice games away from the matchmaker, they will then apply something to limit double gunner/pilot situations. Forcing loadouts on the lobby end isnt ideal.
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Well if Muse would give us a kick option we wouldn't have to fear 2nd gunners, trolls, or about a dozen other problem players in this game.
Sure there would be abuse at times but its clear the CAs can't stop it and I've yet to see Mods actually lay down the law. Its always a dozen warnings and pleadings before they finally act. Troll could be punching a baby and they'd just sit there waving hands saying,"now don't do that, this is my final warning." When there is no recourse for handling trolls, it is the community which suffers the most.
Report them and hope they get banned? What a joke. Sure there are those that do get banned for their behavior but the time between report and banning isn't fast enough. Nor are the punishments steep enough. Who is Muse more afraid of pissing off? A handful of trolls, or a multitude of players?
People are always prone to report bad experiences with companies more than good. A troll reporting will be loud yes, but won't surpass the cries of a multitude who trash the game because of the troll's behavior.
RearAdmiralZill:
--- Quote from: Gilder Unfettered on November 10, 2014, 12:11:44 am ---
--- Quote from: RearAdmiralZill on November 09, 2014, 10:15:46 pm ---The problem is choice.
The captain by design has a lot if inherent power on a boat. You suggest loadouts, you pick the boat, you tell people what they are going to do upon that boat. If a crewmate doesnt want your recommended loadout, he's either achievement hunting, a second gunner who wants to gun and matchmaking was unkind, is new, or a troll. Forcing players to do x when they dont want to will just net a bad experience anyway.
Hopefully with the latest change with them keeping novice games away from the matchmaker, they will then apply something to limit double gunner/pilot situations. Forcing loadouts on the lobby end isnt ideal.
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Well if Muse would give us a kick option we wouldn't have to fear 2nd gunners, trolls, or about a dozen other problem players in this game.
Sure there would be abuse at times but its clear the CAs can't stop it and I've yet to see Mods actually lay down the law. Its always a dozen warnings and pleadings before they finally act. Troll could be punching a baby and they'd just sit there waving hands saying,"now don't do that, this is my final warning." When there is no recourse for handling trolls, it is the community which suffers the most.
Report them and hope they get banned? What a joke. Sure there are those that do get banned for their behavior but the time between report and banning isn't fast enough. Nor are the punishments steep enough. Who is Muse more afraid of pissing off? A handful of trolls, or a multitude of players?
People are always prone to report bad experiences with companies more than good. A troll reporting will be loud yes, but won't surpass the cries of a multitude who trash the game because of the troll's behavior.
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A kick function is way out of the cards now with matchmaking implemented. If Muse intends to tweak it to focus more and more on balance, then a kick just doesn't fit anymore. "Oh, you're levels are too low for my liking, I want someone more experienced. /kick"
Just because you haven't seen mod actions for yourself does not mean they do not happen. I've had to ban plenty of people.
This is similar to my views on this subject, because ill be honest, I never get double pilots or gunners, for whatever reason, but I can see it happening. The "big stick" approach of forcing loadouts that people may or may not want isn't what I think is best. Muse acknowledging two gunners/pilots is just bad, and not allowing the matchmaker to create such an environment is best, until they truly believe that they have somehow made two gunners viable.
Trystan Hart:
--- Quote from: Devinstater on November 09, 2014, 11:52:17 pm ---As a guy on a gunner kick, I would not mind this. I would gladly wait to find a ship that wants me then get matched to a crew with a gunner already crying at me over the mic to switch to engineer.
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Off-topic, but you know why that is, right? Unless you need more than 1 ammo type (say for a hwacha, mines or a highly specialised ship loadout), having even one gunner is a disadvantage to the ship. I suggest if you want to use the guns, (and there is no gunner but cap still wants you to change) just ask your captain if you could be assigned to a gunning position, even if he wants you as an engineer. Especially on a pyramidion or a mob, at least 2 of the engineers will be shooting most of the time anyway.
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