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Issue with games on holidays
Papa Paradox:
--- Quote from: Helmic on March 30, 2013, 05:42:33 am ---Well, I'm speaking as someone that's struggling to get the eight people needed to enter the Cogs. Should we participate this would be a serious issue, we'd be down a lot of people. Not everyone who wants or will want to participate is going to have a massive clan to draw quality subs from. That this thread was made means at least one clan can't just sub in people easily. If you don't accommodate for the viewers and participants, you're doing something horribly wrong. No one is being paid to participate, no one should feel obligated or be penalized for something that's so easy for those organizing the events to plan around. No one is requesting an off week for Saint Patrick's, it's Easter when when a lot of people are going to be at church or with their families. This is not an unreasonable request, it's pretty common even for businesses to close for the event. You wouldn't be too thrilled about being told to suck it up either if you were in his shoes.
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I would've loved a week off from St.Paddy's, but according to you I should suck it up, because you just arbitrarily decided one was more important than the other, even though the importance of holidays varies from person to person. Ergo your statement just invalidated itself.
--- Quote from: Helmic on March 30, 2013, 05:42:33 am ---You guys are being unreasonable about the Cog's importance. There's no prize money at stake, we're not Starcraft II, this is for fun and entertainment even if we aim to make it as big as we can. Telling people to just suck it up is making it less friendly and fun. It's a bad idea to do tournaments when a good portion of the participants are going to be busy, period. Saint Patrick's day isn't going to be anyone's busy day. 1 PM EST on a Tuesday? Bad idea, most people are going to be at school or work. Finals week? Also a bad idea, a lot of colleges are going to have finals at around the same time so suspending the Cogs for a week or two would probably make everyone's lives easier. Easter and Christmas? You sick fuck. That's just stuff those organizing should be planning around, they should know the people playing and be able to accomodate them and their audience.
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So what you're saying is: It's unreasonable to be dedicated, but not unreasonable to postpone someone else's fun? The casters have to get up at ungodly hours, there are players who have it even worse than them, but still they tough it out, don't ask for accommodations. I don't much appreciate being called a 'sick fuck' for being practical either.
--- Quote from: Helmic on March 30, 2013, 05:42:33 am ---I mean, you guys are acting like he's asking for everything to stop for him personally because he's got a job interview or it's his mother's birthday or some shit. This isn't some unforeseeable event that can't be planned around, it's not like it's just for one person. It's probably too late to do anything about THIS matchup, but those organizing should probably take this into consideration so this doesn't come up again.
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We aren't, we're simply telling him why it's damn near impossible to accommodate when there is such a diversified spectrum of race, religion, and geographical locations we can't pick whose rules to follow. So we make a rigid schedule, teams accommodate based on who can make it. Which is the way it should be, if a player is injured: He gets subbed. Family issues: He gets subbed. Can't make it because his family values a certain holiday: He gets subbed. Notice a trend in how competitive play works?
Teams accommodate leagues, sorry. As douchey as I feel for saying that, it's the unadulterated truth.
Phoebe:
Papa Paradox;
In the original post MasX made a statement. He didn't ask for none; nor express anything to be done about it.
He said it was going to be tough;- which is true - and he said other clans will experience the same problem - which I can only imagine is true. Your tone however leaves a sour taste in my mouth and that's what is getting to me and helmic both.
Not everyone in the cogs sees it as "Competitive Play" and not everyone should either. It's a community event;- it's fun and as Squash pointed out it's fundamentally a spectator experience. Most of all it should remain a democracy where - if planned on easter - people should be fine in stating a dissapointment that it's scheduled on easter weekend and we should be able to have some form of civil debate to see what we can do about it.
What you are doing is definitely not constructive; and that doesn't only count for you - it also counts for Squash's first comment referring to a pro sport and Helmics choice of words - the tone was set badly from that point on.
ATeddyBear:
This is the new spliced topic that was pulled out of MasX's post. If you feel I have missed anything out of the old post let me know. I will move it here
Squash:
I didn't start this.
Helmic:
--- Quote from: Squash on March 30, 2013, 05:24:13 pm ---I didn't start this.
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Yeah, it'd be better to just copy over the whole thing, it's not like the discussion was culled from a big thread. It'd be nice to have some context for those just tuning in.
--- Quote from: Papa Paradox on March 30, 2013, 06:40:50 am ---I would've loved a week off from St.Paddy's, but according to you I should suck it up, because you just arbitrarily decided one was more important than the other, even though the importance of holidays varies from person to person. Ergo your statement just invalidated itself.
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That's... not the correct use of ergo. I didn't say that I thought it was less important, society at large has decided that Saint Patrick's Day isn't one that we get off work for. If a clan had a significant number of Irish players then yes, it should be considered when scheduling the Cogs. Just like if there's a Russian team and a major Russian holiday falls on the date of their match, the match should be rescheduled because no one wants a match to just not happen.
--- Quote from: Papa Paradox on March 30, 2013, 06:40:50 am ---So what you're saying is: It's unreasonable to be dedicated, but not unreasonable to postpone someone else's fun? The casters have to get up at ungodly hours, there are players who have it even worse than them, but still they tough it out, don't ask for accommodations. I don't much appreciate being called a 'sick fuck' for being practical either.
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It's not unreasonable to be dedicated. It's unreasonable to demand that sort of dedication, though, for what's supposed to be for everyone's enjoyment. I mean, I know I'd be pissed if the only reason I got into the Cogs is because poor scheduling prevented my opponents from showing up, that's denying me a good match over something that could be easily prevented with a little foresight. The "sick fucK" thing is obviously a joke, much like how consensual sex in the missionary position is an ungodly perversion. I'm sorry if that came off wrong.
--- Quote from: Papa Paradox on March 30, 2013, 06:40:50 am ---We aren't, we're simply telling him why it's damn near impossible to accommodate when there is such a diversified spectrum of race, religion, and geographical locations we can't pick whose rules to follow. So we make a rigid schedule, teams accommodate based on who can make it. Which is the way it should be, if a player is injured: He gets subbed. Family issues: He gets subbed. Can't make it because his family values a certain holiday: He gets subbed. Notice a trend in how competitive play works?
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Except nothing says we HAVE to make things difficult for these teams if we can prevent it. Making an inconvenient schedule for the sake of an inconvenient schedule is just being spiteful, you're doing a service to neither the players (who have to miss out on a real match) or the spectators (who aren't given a real match at all). As for accommodating for a worldwide playerbase and audience, it's prioritizing based on the playerbase (times are generally going to have to work for the US) and the teams currently playing (again, my example with the Russian team). Skipping a couple weeks every year isn't going to throw everything into chaos, not all holidays are going to just happen to take place on a Saturday. Rescheduling can mean just having the match the day before or after if that's doable. I can bet you right now whoever's organizing this doesn't want to cause the participants any trouble because of something like this.
You're not distinguishing between something that's unforseeable or personal (someone's injured) with something forseeable and affecting a good portion of a team (a major holiday, important street protest, internet shut down because X country is now a police state). If it was POSSIBLE to schedule for every individual person you bet we'd expect the schedule to be made for everyone's convenience; it isn't so we have to accept one person being sick at the last minute isn't enough to justify rescheduling. It is possible, however, to look ahead on the calendar and notice that "Hey, this week is going to be finals week for a lot of people, let's hold off until those are done and just have some exhibition games in their place."
--- Quote from: Papa Paradox on March 30, 2013, 06:40:50 am ---
Teams accommodate leagues, sorry. As douchey as I feel for saying that, it's the unadulterated truth.
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It's completely unnecessary with a bit of proper planning. The league was made for the players, not the other way around.
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